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Online Brian Doyle

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #370 on: June 19, 2018, 06:59:50 PM »
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without any opinions being given by yourself before you speak to them, and without any leading questions being asked by yourself.

The interview does appear to be leading the witness but what listeners don't realize is I had several weeks of private messages where the leading opinions were something the grand daughter already agreed on and offered herself...


Kamp is also accusing me of stealing Zambanini's work...Not true...I took a name posted on Find-A-Grave in public and contacted the witness...In no way is that stealing someone's work and I wish I could sue those suggesting it...Besides, Zambanini is trying to prove Oswald was Prayer Man...In no way does any credible researcher owe anything to uncredible researchers trying to mislead the community with false theories... 

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #370 on: June 19, 2018, 06:59:50 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #371 on: June 19, 2018, 07:08:09 PM »
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The interview does appear to be leading the witness but what listeners don't realize is I had several weeks of private messages where the leading opinions were something the grand daughter already agreed on and offered herself...


Kamp is also accusing me of stealing Zambanini's work...Not true...I took a name posted on Find-A-Grave in public and contacted the witness...In no way is that stealing someone's work and I wish I could sue those suggesting it...Besides, Zambanini is trying to prove Oswald was Prayer Man...In no way does any credible researcher owe anything to uncredible researchers trying to mislead the community with false theories...

Never mind what Kamp says, he hasn't a clue and he's not too bright.

Just because Sarah might have been standing to Frazier's left before the motorcade arrived, doesn't mean that she was standing to his left after the motorcade arrived and when the assassination was finished.

Apart from that, I wasn't refering to your already posted interview, I am asking you to show the scarf lady image comparison animated gif shown below to Sarah's family for a review by them, as they are the only ones who really know what she looked like at varying stages of her life.


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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #372 on: June 19, 2018, 07:31:05 PM »
Kamp is up to his usual tricks...On the Education Forum Kamp found a video from 2002 where Frazier identifies an unnamed woman who is most likely Stanton as being to his left...Kamp thinks he has scored a coup here and overturned our case...

If we go back to the evidence Kamp is flagrantly ignoring Lovelady named the people closest to him on the landing from his left to his right in order...When he did so he listed Shelley, Frazier, and Sarah Stanton...

Kamp just outright ignores that if Stanton were to the left of Frazier that she would be seen in Altgens...Or at least in Darnell where her width couldn't be hidden...

Kamp ignores Frazier's more educated statement about Sarah's location in 2013 when he had been better briefed on the evidence...The Education Forum lets Kamp get away with murder because Frazier's location of Stanton in the 2002 interview has no timing associated with it and is therefore inferior to his 2013 locating of Stanton because the latter has a very precise detailing of the timing involved and the precise actions of the people in question...As with Pauline Sanders' vague locating of Stanton, Kamp prefers a vague example over the precisely accurate one and offers it straight-faced while ignoring that he has had this explained to him for several years...No problem with the moderators there even though Kamp is contemptuously violating their so-called demands for rigor...

It seems obvious to me that Frazier is confusing Stanton's location because he is remembering where she was when she first came outside with Pauline Sanders...There is no doubt to where Frazier places Stanton in his 2013 interview...Stanton is the person he is "looking at" when Calvery got to the steps...The evidence Kamp is ignoring in contempt (with full posting privileges) shows Frazier looking at Prayer Man precisely at the moment he detailed...Only a person in contempt of the research public and honest analysis would dare ignore this and offer an undetailed memory as superior...Especially when it has an easy explanation...

The JFK research community is dishonest because they have the means to take all this and put it coherently and comprehensibly to Frazier...They don't because they already know what he will say...

On a side note, the Deep Politics forum is not embarrassed by its moronic silence on this important evidence or how two highly unqualified incompetent muggers banned its originator...The forum is a bully pit there solely for the dominating egos and not for the evidence...

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Re: Prayer Woman
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #373 on: June 19, 2018, 07:33:54 PM »
For what it's worth (I know, not much) I think we're looking at the same woman in all 3 images.

I agree with Duncan, especially about the forehead and chin being good matches.

I think it's pretty clear that the woman in the montage is holding a bag tucked under her left wrist and forearm (right above Lovelady's head).

I also think that PP is probably holding a bag, although in a slightly different manner, which accounts for the similar, kind of unusual, arm positioning.

Lastly, I think we can almost see the scarf tails (similar to a tie) in the PP image as in the other clearer image taken on 11/22.

Simply not enough definition in the PP image to make a definitive call, but put a gun to my head and I'm going with we're seeing the same person in all 3 images.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #374 on: June 19, 2018, 07:35:58 PM »
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Would you believe Sir Gary Mack of Texashire just happened to ask him the wrong question(around 53m in).
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Just before that here's also "Lovelady was around 5'2-5'4" and he only thinks to himself as the parade comes by...
Correct or not, all in all a much more interesting man to listen to, with a little help and the help not even credited.

Also just take a moment to study the very first second of the video...

FTLD.
"CSPAN Buell Wesley Frasier part 1 & 2"

YT version, same again 53m, GM: "was there any one standing there with you?"...

Thanks Barry.

53.00:

MACK: Was she off to your right or to your left?

FRAZIER (gesturing to his left): Left.

MACK: To your left.

But if you keep listening, at 54.19 it gets really interesting:

FRAZIER: As soon as I remarked to the woman to my left that Jackie looked as beautiful as in the magazines, the woman smiled, did a sudden cartwheel past me to the other side of the steps and stuck a dark wig on her head for professional reasons.

MACK: Did that surprise you?

FRAZIER: Sure did. But I didn't have time to think about it on account of that was when the first shot rang out.

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« Reply #374 on: June 19, 2018, 07:35:58 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #375 on: June 19, 2018, 08:19:34 PM »
IMO the old lady on the stairs with the purse looks more like Zambanini's Pauline Sanders rather than the pudgy Sarah Stanton.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #376 on: June 19, 2018, 08:31:35 PM »
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It's not a new find, Michael.


I submitted this woman as a possibility 3 to 4 years ago, maybe longer.

It was largely ignored, except for interest from a couple of members.

Now that we have an image of Sarah Stanton, a comparison can now be made.

This woman does look like a big woman.

The facial features appear to me to be uncannily similar to that of an older in appearance and plumper faced Sarah Stanton as posted by Brian?

Making allowance for the different Camera angles:

Same Deep Set Eyes, High Forehead, Curved Pointy Nose, High Cheekbones, Semi Pointed Witchy Chin.

Any small physical Facial appearance differences, are in my opinion, almost certainly due to the different Camera angle POV's, plus the natural changes caused by the passage of time between the comparison images.

More importantly, Could she be Sarah Stanton? ie, Prayer Man with dark hair in 1963, and filmed at a later moment in time at the entrance of the TSBD? I believe it could very well be.

For Brian:

Brian, Can you try to get a recorded verified ID from her Granddaughter if this is indeed Sarah at a later moment in time at the TSBD entrance?

You may post an opinion, but do not make a final judgement yourself.

It is crucial to let her family be the arbiters of this comparison.



No, not a new discovery, and I made a reference as such in an earlier Post/Reply on this thread. And, 3 or 4 years in pursuit of additional evidence of the Image possibly being the same person as PrayerPersonImage is most likely a correct time frame.

In any event, after careful study of the research of the issue, about 1.5 years ago, on 1/17/2017 IIRC, I started a thread, on another forum, seeking a positive identification of who was represented by the Image that I referred to as ScarfLady. And, IIRC, the reported time of the scene in both Hughes and Martin Films was at/or about 12:50pm CST, 11/22/'63, as shown of course, at the TSBD Bldg Elm St entrance portal stairs/landing.

As previously stated, it appears to me that PrayerPersonImage is looking slightly to her right, towards a returning assassination witness that was announcing what she had seen. However, it also appears, at least to me, that PrayerPersonImage was filmed during a beginning head turn, indicating a possible altered exposure on film. So, I have concluded, that for the most part, PrayerPersonImage's facial features are from mostly a frontal view, and only a very slight view of her facial right side.

For clarification, not a new discovery, nor a discovery by me, but one that I have studied for some time in an effort to obtain the correct identity of ScarfLadyImage herself, as well as any connection to PrayerPersonImage positive identification..
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #376 on: June 19, 2018, 08:31:35 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #377 on: June 19, 2018, 08:49:07 PM »
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The interview does appear to be leading the witness but what listeners don't realize is I had several weeks of private messages where the leading opinions were something the grand daughter already agreed on and offered herself...


Kamp is also accusing me of stealing Zambanini's work...Not true...I took a name posted on Find-A-Grave in public and contacted the witness...In no way is that stealing someone's work and I wish I could sue those suggesting it...Besides, Zambanini is trying to prove Oswald was Prayer Man...In no way does any credible researcher owe anything to uncredible researchers trying to mislead the community with false theories...

For clarification, BrianDoyle and myself, although we are not always in absolute agreement, have researched, and shared, acquired information relative to SarahJuanitaDeanDanielStanton, in order to obtain her correct and positive identification. And, have done so for a while now.

In any event, as history indicates, all "research information" needs verification for correctness.

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« Reply #377 on: June 19, 2018, 08:49:07 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #378 on: June 19, 2018, 09:29:34 PM »
So Sarah Stanton sees LHO by the second floor lunchroom with a soda in his hand several minutes before the assassination, yet several minutes later (just after the assassination) Marrion L. Baker sees LHO walk into the lunchroom and over to the soda machine. Why would LHO do this? 

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #379 on: June 19, 2018, 09:33:47 PM »
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IMO the old lady on the stairs with the purse looks more like Zambanini's Pauline Sanders rather than the pudgy Sarah Stanton.

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Uh, the photos of Pauline Sanders are from 1945 and 1946. The assassination of President Kennedy didn't happen until 1963.

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