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« Reply #340 on: June 18, 2018, 03:58:21 AM »
 Telephone interview with Sarah Stanton's grand daughter and daughter in law...In it the grand daughter confirms her grand mother is Prayer Man...The daughter in law reveals an important new witnessing of Oswald being near the lunch room around the time of the shooting...The daughter in law confirms that Sarah asked Oswald "Are you going downstairs to go see the motorcade?" "Downstairs" had to be from the 2nd floor lunch room stairway landing:



             
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« Reply #341 on: June 18, 2018, 11:04:05 AM »
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Telephone interview with Sarah Stanton's grand daughter and daughter in law...In it the grand daughter confirms her grand mother is Prayer Man...The daughter in law reveals an important new witnessing of Oswald being near the lunch room around the time of the shooting...The daughter in law confirms that Sarah asked Oswald "Are you going downstairs to go see the motorcade?" "Downstairs" had to be from the 2nd floor lunch room stairway landing:



Thank you for posting this audio in full, Brian. I hope everyone here listens to it for it offers a truly shocking case study in how not to interview a witness.

You start by informing Sarah Stanton's sister-in-law that Sarah has been identified beyond doubt as PrayerPerson and then at repeated points throughout the interview feed her a relentless series of none too subtle cues as to the answers you wish to elicit from her. Anytime she says something you don't like, you telegraph your displeasure with a sceptical drawl of 'Alright, yeah...' and/or a correction based on your superior knowledge. Unfortunately for you, she just doesn't play ball. And that matters, because she (unlike Sarah's granddaughter) has primary memories of Sarah from the time of the assassination and they simply don't tally with the PrayerPerson image. Most damningly, Sarah Stanton had gray hair in 1963. PrayerPerson clearly doesn't. Sarah Stanton is not PrayerPerson. Period.

Another amusing point to emerge is that Sarah's granddaughter's sole reason for thinking PrayerPerson is Sarah is that you have shown her the Darnell frame and she, not being familiar with the crowded scene in Wiegman or with the fact that Pauline Sanders places Sarah beside her on the east side of the entrance, has identified her as the only large woman on the landing at the time of the shooting and therefore Sarah. Worthless.

And through it all you repeatedly inform both these women that the identification of Sarah as PrayerPerson is already a done deal!

It's worth mentioning that Sarah's sister-in-law includes a key detail that you have strangely omitted from your summary: when Sarah asked LHO near the second floor lunchroom if he was going down to watch the motorcade he told her that no, he was going back upstairs to the floor he had just been working on. 

You believe he stayed in the second floor lunchroom and went neither up nor down, I believe he changed his mind about going back upstairs and decided to go down to the front entrance for a look. But neither of us has the right to wish away what Sarah's sister-in-law says she heard from Sarah's own lips.
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« Reply #342 on: June 18, 2018, 02:18:15 PM »

Prayer Man cultist Alan is desperately going to bend this anyway he can to steer it away from the obvious...My earbud microphone and the children in the background kept me from fully absorbing what the daughter in law was saying...Around 6 minutes the daughter in law adds that Oswald told Sarah he was going back into the room...I wish I had caught that during the interview because it seems obvious to me that Oswald told Sarah he wasn't eating lunch but was going back in to the (break) room or 2nd floor lunch room that Sarah had obviously caught him in front of on the 2nd floor stairway landing as she was leaving the offices to go outside...Despite Alan's crass denial, at least he is conceding that this encounter happened in that location...The grand daughter told me by private message that she thought Sarah said she encountered Oswald in a break room...

Because of the difficulty of the conversation and medium I really should have commented to them that if Sarah was regularly recounting her witnessing Oswald by the stairs with a Coke on the way out of the building that she almost certainly volunteered this to the FBI in her interview since she would have no reason not to...The problem with people like Alan and their Prayer Man poison is they enter an excluding logic that is damaging to the normal thinking and follow-through that is usually practiced in good criminal detection...If you want to see a prime example of how not to process important evidence just look at what Alan offers...A person who really respected his readers and cared about correct interpretation would realize what we really have here is another proven case of FBI omitting important witnessing of Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room due to their awareness of its threat to the official story...This bolsters the veracity of Carolyn Arnold's witnessing of Oswald being in the lunch room because just like Sarah, they omitted Carolyn's witnessing in an identical manner...

I was slow on the uptake and response during this interview and upon re-listening and a night's sleep I realize at 13 minutes I should have told the daughter in law that Sarah's assuming Oswald had "gone back up by then" is the presumption of a person who did not see Oswald actually go back upstairs but just assumed he did after hearing the official story...It didn't dawn on me during the interview that the daughter in law's problematic wanting to send Oswald back upstairs almost certainly originates from Sarah's assumption that Oswald shot from the 6th floor and her incorporation of that in to her story...Sarah never saw where Oswald went after she left him on the stairway landing...

At 20:00 minutes the grand daughter confirms that she thought the woman's face in Davidson was "too pretty to be Sarah"...I had previously shown her the Davidson enhancement in e-mails...The interview had gotten a little off track at that point over the discussion of Sarah's weight...After confirming that she thought Davidson showed a woman the grand daughter then refers to Darnell and says there's no doubt the woman in Darnell is obese like Sarah..."Everybody is skinny in this except for her"...

If you look at the family photo I think Sarah is on a slope so therefore appears taller in comparison to the 6 foot 1 Larry her son...

The Prayer Man cult deliberately ignores how the daughter in law's strong memory of Sarah saying Oswald had a soda vastly increases the veracity of Jeraldean Reid and her witnessing...Please tell us again, Mr DiEugenio, how Baker crossed-out the Coke on his statement...And anybody who shows otherwise will be attacked, personally defamed in a low manner, and removed from the community...

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« Reply #342 on: June 18, 2018, 02:18:15 PM »

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« Reply #343 on: June 18, 2018, 02:34:40 PM »
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Prayer Man cultist Alan is desperately going to bend this anyway he can to steer it away from the obvious...My earbud microphone and the children in the background kept me from fully absorbing what the daughter in law was saying...Around 6 minutes the daughter in law adds that Oswald told Sarah he was going back into the room...I wish I had caught that during the interview because it seems obvious to me that Oswald told Sarah he wasn't eating lunch but was going back in to the (break) room or 2nd floor lunch room that Sarah had obviously caught him in front of on the 2nd floor stairway landing as she was leaving the offices to go outside...Despite Alan's crass denial, at least he is conceding that this encounter happened in that location...The grand daughter told me by private message that she thought Sarah said she encountered Oswald in a break room...

Because of the difficulty of the conversation and medium I really should have commented to them that if Sarah was regularly recounting her witnessing Oswald by the stairs with a Coke on the way out of the building that she almost certainly volunteered this to the FBI in her interview since she would have no reason not to...The problem with people like Alan and their Prayer Man poison is they enter an excluding logic that is damaging to the normal thinking and follow-through that is usually practiced in good criminal detection...If you want to see a prime example of how not to process important evidence just look at what Alan offers...A person who really respected his readers and cared about correct interpretation would realize what we really have here is another proven case of FBI omitting important witnessing of Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room due to their awareness of its threat to the official story...This bolsters the veracity of Carolyn Arnold's witnessing of Oswald being in the lunch room because just like Sarah, they omitted Carolyn's witnessing in an identical manner...

I was slow on the uptake and response during this interview and upon re-listening and a night's sleep I realize at 13 minutes I should have told the daughter in law that Sarah's assuming Oswald had "gone back up by then" is the presumption of a person who did not see Oswald actually go back upstairs but just assumed he did after hearing the official story...It didn't dawn on me during the interview that the daughter in law's problematic wanting to send Oswald back upstairs almost certainly originates from Sarah's assumption that Oswald shot from the 6th floor and her incorporation of that in to her story...Sarah never saw where Oswald went after she left him on the stairway landing...

At 20:00 minutes the grand daughter confirms that she thought the woman's face in Davidson was "too pretty to be Sarah"...I had previously shown her the Davidson enhancement in e-mails...The interview had gotten a little off track at that point over the discussion of Sarah's weight...After confirming that she thought Davidson showed a woman the grand daughter then refers to Darnell and says there's no doubt the woman in Darnell is obese like Sarah..."Everybody is skinny in this except for her"...

If you look at the family photo I think Sarah is on a slope so therefore appears taller in comparison to the 6 foot 1 Larry her son...

The Prayer Man cult deliberately ignores how the daughter in law's strong memory of Sarah saying Oswald had a soda vastly increases the veracity of Jeraldean Reid and her witnessing...Please tell us again, Mr DiEugenio, how Baker crossed-out the Coke on his statement...And anybody who shows otherwise will be attacked, personally defamed in a low manner, and removed from the community...

! Not a single word about the elephant in the room: Sarah Stanton had GRAY HAIR, PrayerPerson doesn't. Therefore Sarah Stanton cannot be PrayerPerson. Game over.

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« Reply #344 on: June 18, 2018, 03:00:03 PM »


If you look at a close up of Prayer Man the folded arms claim is impossible by human anatomy...Greg Parker is a quack and incompetent...The folded arms claim comes from Greg looking at images and imagining things into them...

Meanwhile credible photo analysis would quickly show the left elbow and forearm of the imaginary folded arms tapers in a way that is impossible for human anatomy...An elbow cannot go from thick to skinny like the left arm on their folded arms does...You also can't hide hands like their folded arms require...Folded arms don't just cut-off like those the Prayer Man people are claiming...You would have to see a hand on their right arm but all you see is a suddenly cut off forearm...This is very sloppy photo analysis and laughable at a professional level...

When I show that Prayer Man's right wrist narrows beyond human anatomy it gets ignored...A wrist cannot go from thick to thin as much as Prayer Man's wrist does...What you are seeing there is Sarah Stanton's purse that her daughter in law said she carried jutting in front of her wrist...If it wasn't there you would clearly see Sarah's obese forearm going all the way to her hand and matching her fat forearm seen in the family photo...

This is the correct interpretation of Prayer Man's arm but it gets outright ignored by the Prayer Man cultists...

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« Reply #344 on: June 18, 2018, 03:00:03 PM »

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« Reply #345 on: June 18, 2018, 03:06:28 PM »
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If you look at a close up of Prayer Man the folded arms claim is impossible by human anatomy...Greg Parker is a quack and incompetent...The folded arms claim comes from Greg looking at images and imagining things into them...

Meanwhile credible photo analysis would quickly show the left elbow and forearm of the imaginary folded arms tapers in a way that is impossible for human anatomy...An elbow cannot go from thick to skinny like the left arm on their folded arms does...You also can't hide hands like their folded arms require...Folded arms don't just cut-off like those the Prayer Man people are claiming...You would have to see a hand on their right arm but all you see is a suddenly cut off forearm...This is very sloppy photo analysis and laughable at a professional level...

When I show that Prayer Man's right wrist narrows beyond human anatomy it gets ignored...A wrist cannot go from thick to thin as much as Prayer Man's wrist does...What you are seeing there is Sarah Stanton's purse that her daughter in law said she carried jutting in front of her wrist...If it wasn't there you would clearly see Sarah's obese forearm going all the way to her hand and matching her fat forearm seen in the family photo...

This is the correct interpretation of Prayer Man's arm but it gets outright ignored by the Prayer Man cultists...

Repeat after me, Brian: Sarah Stanton had gray hair. Prayer Person doesn't.

We know you know what a disaster this is to your theory because you even tried, without any success, to coax Sarah's sister-in-law into saying that Sarah dyed her hair in 1963!

Sarah Stanton had gray hair. Prayer Person doesn't.

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« Reply #346 on: June 18, 2018, 03:14:28 PM »
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Sarah Stanton had gray hair. Prayer Person doesn't.
So, what colour was Prayer Person's hair?

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« Reply #346 on: June 18, 2018, 03:14:28 PM »

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« Reply #347 on: June 18, 2018, 03:18:23 PM »
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So, what colour was Prayer Person's hair?

A lot darker than the gray or white we see in the photo of Sarah Stanton. The contrast between PrayerPerson's skin and hair is obvious. A pale complected person with dark or darkish hair.

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« Reply #347 on: June 18, 2018, 03:18:23 PM »

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« Reply #348 on: June 18, 2018, 03:22:14 PM »
If only there were better quality images there would be no need for this discussion. A high resolution scan from the original footage would show who that figure is.

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« Reply #349 on: June 18, 2018, 05:47:36 PM »
It is possible Sarah wore a wig or dyed her hair...That would make sense in a professional situation...Alan is trying to avoid all the other evidence and his trying to resolve the issue on the grey hair alone is not strong enough to overturn the layers of repeating evidence he is obviously dodging...

Wanda told me Sarah did not like to be photographed so I don't know if there are any other photos from the Depository to help solve the hair issue...

The timing of Calvery as spoken by Frazier clinches it...Frazier is facing and talking with Prayer Man in Couch/Darnell at a time where he has made clear that he was talking to Sarah...

Parker is over on my Facebook Prayer Woman page desperately trying to say the extra girth on Prayer Man is from a reflection in the glass...He ignores that if there was a reflection the cheek would have to reflect too...It doesn't...

The Clockwork Orange trolls who have seized this issue are Jim DiEugenio's fault and he should be made to pay a price for their being unleashed on the credible assassination community...

He is responsible for serious evidence that backs up Carolyn Arnold and Jeraldean Reid being deliberately ignored by the JFK research community for juvenile reasons of spite and egotism...

Kamp is over on ROKC bragging that him and his group dictate what is allowed to be posted and where on this issue...
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