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Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #330 on: June 17, 2018, 07:48:09 PM »
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Alan and Barry:   Do you think the person Bart Kamp has selected to be Stanton is her?

Alan seems to be having a problem responding to the Jake Sykes avatar that debunks the Prayer Man theory in a glance...

No of course not, not from that evidence but you know, she has to be somewhere.
Is the avatar on the EF now?

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« Reply #331 on: June 17, 2018, 07:51:01 PM »
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No of course not, not from that evidence but you know, she has to be somewhere.
Is the avatar on the EF now?


Somewhere you can't show...

Yes - It is Sykes' current avatar...But it is on ROKC and not the Education Forum...
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #332 on: June 17, 2018, 08:00:54 PM »
Okay, Brian so he didn't go down the steps before Darnell, like we need to be told but don't you see what's happened to you? Because of this scenraio you've come to rely on so much you cannot even hear him say it.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #333 on: June 17, 2018, 08:02:33 PM »
Ok ty I got it delete it.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #334 on: June 17, 2018, 08:06:48 PM »


I really do find this image curious. If this is a person with their body turned a bit to the left (=southeast) then why are we seeing so much of the radiator behind the glass? I mean, nothing of the left leg...?! Just seems kind of off to me, like the lower body just curves away from under them...

Also the person's left hand/elbow seems unattached to an upper arm, as if it's hanging in midair or something...


Add the fact that the white of the neck is not below the chin and the thing just looks very odd indeed.


However if you stick a finger over the supposed 'left arm' it makes a new kind of sense as a man whose body is facing forward, whose arms are folded and whose head is turned a little to the left (=southeast).


I wonder might the drinking/eating/etc PrayerPerson in Wiegman have changed their posture by the time Darnell films them?
 
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« Reply #335 on: June 17, 2018, 08:53:47 PM »
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I really do find this image curious. If this is a person with their body turned a bit to the left (=southeast) then why are we seeing so much of the radiator behind the glass? I mean, nothing of the left leg...?! Just seems kind of off to me.


It is very common for the Prayer Man backers to come in and accidentally acknowledge the obvious, not realizing that they are refuting their own theory in the process...Alan is correct here...What you see next to Prayer Man's dress in that image is the white of the radiator, which proves it can't be the bent left leg Andrej Stancak requires to make his bogus foot on the step claim work...Very simply, if Oswald had dark trousers on then you wouldn't be able to see any white in that spot...The white you see is the radiator, which in turn proves that Oswald's leg can't be bent in front of it, which in turn proves that Prayer Man is up on the landing...

Andrej Stancak posted on the Education Forum "If Prayer Man is on the landing then he is too short to be Oswald"...Well, this proves Prayer Man is on the landing...Andrej is offering garbage science that tries to bend the evidence towards Oswald...A correct measuring of Prayer Man when compared to Frazier shows Prayer Man to be 5 foot 5 in height...That just so happens to be Sarah Stanton's height...

Thanks Alan...Like with Carolyn Arnold you are once again agreeing with me on a very important point of evidence...
 



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Also the person's left hand/elbow seems unattached to an upper arm, as if it's hanging in midair or something...


Left arm and hand looking down it length-wise...I have been repeating this for years and it gets ignored...Thank you for once again agreeing with me that it isn't ROKC's ridiculous folded arms...By the way anatomy proves that Sarah's purse is jutting in front of her right wrist because a wrist can't narrow as much as you see Prayer Man's doing when compared to the hand...

Sarah is holding her purse in front of her with both hands...


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But if you stick a finger over the supposed 'left arm' it makes a new kind of sense as a man whose body is facing forward, whose arms are folded and whose head is turned a little to the left (=southeast).


Which, according to sound photo science, is the definition of cheating to make your claims work...

Sarah is facing Frazier in the image in order to react to Calvery...
 
Prayer Man can't have his arms folded because his upper left arm would be too short by anatomy...You couldn't hide his hands either that are missing if you try to make that work...


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I wonder might the drinking/eating/etc PrayerPerson in Wiegman have changed their posture by the time Darnell films them?


 Absolutely...Sarah has pivoted from facing forward on the landing in Wiegman to turning towards Frazier to discuss what Calvery said...This was easily seen in the stabilized clip of all Prayer Man images in Wiegman and Darnell that was previously posted on this site...(and ignored)


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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #336 on: June 17, 2018, 10:16:17 PM »


Running with the idea that this is a man whose body is facing forward, shirtsleeves rolled up, arms folded, head turned a bit to the left...

How do we account for the visibility of the top of the radiator? Why does the man's untucked shirt seem to taper off at the bottom right (our right, that is)?

This is where it gets kind of interesting. A couple of years ago a researcher called Pat Speer got superb color photos of CE151 which many believe was the shirt Oswald wore to work that day. And guess what? It's cut in a curving pattern at the bottom sides. (Go to about a third of the way down the page at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login and see for yourself)

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #337 on: June 17, 2018, 10:39:11 PM »
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Running with the idea that this is a man whose body is facing forward, shirtsleeves rolled up, arms folded, head turned a bit to the left...


Impossible by anatomy...Left upper arm too short for folded arms...You have no right to ignore the clearly see left arm/hand in the image...I've repeatedly explained to Parker that the left arm is not a reflection...If it were a reflection then the left cheek skin (which is even more apparent and has more surface area) would also reflect, yet we see no such reflection...



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How do we account for the visibility of the top of the radiator? Why does the man's untucked shirt seem to taper off at the bottom right (our right, that is)?


       There is no way that any School Book Depository employee would stand in front of a presidential motorcade with his shirt hanging out...What you are correctly registering is Sarah's wide dress...

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #338 on: June 17, 2018, 10:53:52 PM »
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I really do find this image curious. If this is a person with their body turned a bit to the left (=southeast) then why are we seeing so much of the radiator behind the glass? I mean, nothing of the left leg...?! Just seems kind of off to me, like the lower body just curves away from under them...

Also the person's left hand/elbow seems unattached to an upper arm, as if it's hanging in midair or something...


Add the fact that the white of the neck is not below the chin and the thing just looks very odd indeed.


However if you stick a finger over the supposed 'left arm' it makes a new kind of sense as a man whose body is facing forward, whose arms are folded and whose head is turned a little to the left (=southeast).


I wonder might the drinking/eating/etc PrayerPerson in Wiegman have changed their posture by the time Darnell films them?

Admittedly, my take on what the posted image represents tends to differ somewhat than others. And, an intelligent, unfortunately now former, forum friend convinced me that photograph/film presents images of persons/objects, and not the actual person/object. For that reason, I tend to base image identification efforts upon that premise. That said, all images require interpretation, and sometimes image identification/interpretation is easily done, but sometimes not.

The posted image of the TexasSchoolBookDepository Elm St entrance appears to represent the scene within about one minute after the DealeyPlazaShooting that fatally wounded USP JohnKennedySr, and critically wounded TxG JohnConnallyJr, on 11/22/'63.

After reviewing statements/testimony by multiple eyewitnesses/occupants that indicated their presence on the stairs/landing at the time, I had to conclude that the aka PrayerPersonImage represents a female, most likely then TSBD Bldg employee SarahStanton. And, the same testimony indicates that LeeOswald is/was not among the landing/stairs occupants as filmed and/or during the shooting occurrence.

When viewing the PrayerPersonImage, it appears to represent someone stockier built and not as tall as LeeOswald. and, the person represented appears to be wearing a dress and/or long coat. Also, it is my interpretation that the person represented was filmed/photographed during a head turn due to conversation with another occupant relating to what had been witnessed by a returning area occupant. And, their is supporting testimony regarding said conversation..

 So, considering eyewitness testimony provides evidence that LeeOswald was not among the entrance landing/stairway at the time, and no reliable evidence places him there, for me it is a quite simple conclusion to reach that "evidently" he was not there.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #339 on: June 18, 2018, 01:07:36 AM »


Care has to be taken when drawing conclusions from this gif (which Duncan posted) about what can be seen at the level of the top landing. This is because of the really frustrating fact that in the first few frames the (elderly?) woman wearing black coat and black scarf just in front of the steps is blocking the area of interest beneath PrayerPerson's body. We think we're getting a glimpse of the landing but that's only because the woman's neckline is at a height (for camera angle) on a level with the landing. After that of course the lady in white going up the steps blocks our view further.

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