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Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #320 on: June 17, 2018, 06:55:33 PM »
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To me this is just outright contempt right in the face of Jake Sykes' avatar that shows an overlapping of Oswald on to Prayer Man...That overlapping confirms what Jim DiEugenio noted... That Prayer Man was way too stocky to be Oswald...

In my opinion, ignoring this in public is a sheer act of willful dishonesty...Not to mention Prayer Man being Sarah Stanton's confirmed 5 foot 5 height...

No serious researcher questions the identity of Buell Frazier in Darnell...

Perhaps if you shared it then I could see it. Where is it?

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #320 on: June 17, 2018, 06:55:33 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #321 on: June 17, 2018, 06:57:13 PM »
Better still,

Perhaps Brian, you could invite her to join this Forum to verify your claims.
What do you say, she would be most welcome here.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #322 on: June 17, 2018, 06:58:47 PM »
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Alan agrees with me that Carolyn Arnold's witnessing is real and Oswald was in the lunch room at 12:25...That makes it highly unlikely Oswald was on the front steps during the shooting...Not only is there not enough time for Oswald to get back to the lunch room to be seen by Baker but he wasn't out of breath...If Baker & Truly were fabricating their witnessing they would hardly undermine it by adding the detail that Oswald wasn't out of breath...And now Sarah Stanton adds the detail that Oswald had a soda - which puts him even deeper in to the lunch room...


Again you're just showing your ignorance of the very theory you've devoted your best energies to fighting. According to said theory, LHO told Will Fritz the TRUTH when he said he visited the second floor lunchroom to buy a coke for his lunch and then came down to the first floor. He was there (out with Bill Shelley in front) for the shooting and never went back up to the second floor. Baker encountered him at or near the first floor entrance and the second floor story is a bunch of hooey fabricated to put LHO near the rear stairs. Baker and Truly said LHO wasn't out of breath or sweating to get themselves (Baker esp) off the hook for having 'let him loose'.

Stop showing how uncredible you are. Stop exposing your lack of basic research skills. Do your godd-mn homework, man!
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #323 on: June 17, 2018, 07:01:11 PM »
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Better still,

Perhaps Brian, you could invite her to join this Forum to verify your claims.
What do you say, she would be most welcome here.



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« Reply #324 on: June 17, 2018, 07:15:05 PM »
Alan is lying when he says Oswald claimed he was out front with Shelley during the shots...What Oswald claimed was he was in the 2nd floor lunch room when officer came in...The Fritz notes are written chronologically...Ford and the Prayer Man nuts know this, only they lie and need to bend testimony to make their fantasy work...No witness ever saw Oswald outside with Shelley either during or after the shots and if you apply intelligent analysis to Alan's input here Altgens shows Shelley during the shots and Oswald is not next to him...That means Oswald is over in the Prayer Man corner if he is theoretically there...Only if we go to Lovelady's testimony he describes the persons in those positions as being Shelley, Frazier, and Sarah Stanton from his left to his right - placing Stanton in the Prayer Man spot...

This false rendering of evidence originates from Greg Parker and his over-active imagination and nutty evidence hacking...

Alan and Barry:   Do you think the person Bart Kamp has selected to be Stanton is her?

Alan seems to be having a problem responding to the Jake Sykes avatar that debunks the Prayer Man theory in a glance...
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #325 on: June 17, 2018, 07:25:04 PM »
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You are deliberately not answering the rest of what I said...You're not credible...

Frazier did not have time to make that trip and get back up to the landing in Darnell...

Yes, a different scene than what Darnell shows...You Prayer Man crazies are so divorced from reality, and so self-deluded by your lies, that you make fools of yourselves by not realizing that YES the Darnell film shows reality and proves my point...That Frazier isn't seen going back up to the landing like would be required if he had walked down to the bottom step...Your logic is so perverted that you strongly make my point for me yet phrase it as if it backed you...

The "first step" Frazier is referencing is the first step down from the landing...You are deliberately ignoring that the video shows Frazier saying he immediately looked at Sarah after hearing this from Calvery...If Frazier was at the bottom step he couldn't immediately turn to Sarah like he says...He would have had to walk back up to the landing to do so...

You and Barry use references to Frazier's actions in the video to make your bogus points but ignore those same clear actions when they prove what I am saying...

Twice now you have avoided addressing how Frazier nods to his right and shifts his eyes rightward when referring to Sarah...

Brian and Alan,
there's a confusion here, the short film that Brian linked to only refers to what Frasier said and what he said has then been used to conclude that PM=SS, with no explaination, no nod to the evidence and no alternative, just a complete leap of faith and Brian claims gameover. All based on what Buell said, nothing else. Now I was hoping someone would notice later on that Buell does indeed turn to his RIGHT when again mentioning Sarah, the first comment under the video led me right to it but Alan is correct and he actually says he was "right down, by the first step" how can that be confused with the what we know as the top step? What is seen in the films is irrelevant to this, it's only about what he said and we know what he meant, it's so clear a five year old would know he meant the bottom.

Calvery he did not know by name at the time, more than one woman ran from that horrific scene and many worked at that building, so aside from Calvery are we to conclude that eveyone else came back and couldn't speak? Buell could be talking about someone other than Calvery or even more than one woman with memory confusing the two.
One minute you bet the house on one little thing the man said, the next you're claiming he can't be correct because your interpretation of the film says it happened only one way. Yorway or dahiway.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #326 on: June 17, 2018, 07:36:04 PM »
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Alan is lying when he says Oswald claimed he was out front with Shelley during the shots...What Oswald claimed was he was in the 2nd floor lunch room when officer came in...The Fritz notes are written chronologically...Ford and the Prayer Man nuts know this, only they lie and need to bend testimony to make their fantasy work...No witness ever saw Oswald outside with Shelley either during or after the shots and if you apply intelligent analysis to Alan's input here Altgens shows Shelley during the shots and Oswald is not next to him...That means Oswald is over in the Prayer Man corner if he is theoretically there...Only if we go to Lovelady's testimony he describes the persons in those positions as being Shelley, Frazier, and Sarah Stanton from his left to his right - placing Stanton in the Prayer Man spot...

This false rendering of evidence originates from Greg Parker and his over-active imagination and nutty evidence hacking...

More lack of basic understanding skills from Brian Doyle. Quelle surprise!

1. LHO DID claim to be on the first floor when the President passed the building (read the d-mn interrogation reports, Brian)
2. The Fritz notes were copied by Fritz from an FBI agent's contemporaneous notes
3. The two FBI agents' first report on LHO's interrogation said nothing about a police officer coming into the lunchroom
4. There was no way in hell Billy Lovelady was going to admit to seeing LHO behind him (if indeed he did notice him)
5. Sarah Stanton was on the east side of the steps in a cluster with Pauline Sanders and Otis Williams
6. You yourself have ruled out Sarah Stanton as PrayerPerson by sharing the 1962-4 photo of her


My advice to you, Brian, is stop thinking like a LNer and start opening your mind to the possibility that the story you've been hypnotised into believing about a second floor lunchroom encounter belongs on the fiction shelf. Drop your utterly tedious grievance campaign against researchers on other forums. And take pride in the fact that your own recent work on Sarah Stanton means that you've done more than most to consolidate the LHO=PM theory Thumb1:

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #327 on: June 17, 2018, 07:39:14 PM »
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Brian and Alan,
there's a confusion here, the short film that Brian linked to only refers to what Frasier said and what he said has then been used to conclude that PM=SS, with no explaination, no nod to the evidence and no alternative, just a complete leap of faith and Brian claims gameover. All based on what Buell said, nothing else. Now I was hoping someone would notice later on that Buell does indeed turn to his RIGHT when again mentioning Sarah, the first comment under the video led me right to it but Alan is correct and he actually says he was "right down, by the first step" how can that be confused with the what we know as the top step? What is seen in the films is irrelevant to this, it's only about what he said and we know what he meant, it's so clear a five year old would know he meant the bottom.

Calvery he did not know by name at the time, more than one woman ran from that horrific scene and many worked at that building, so aside from Calvery are we to conclude that eveyone else came back and couldn't speak? Buell could be talking about someone other than Calvery or even more than one woman with memory confusing the two.
One minute you bet the house on one little thing the man said, the next you're claiming he can't be correct because your interpretation of the film says it happened only one way. Yorway or dahiway.

Exactly Barry. Frazier's repeated lefthand gesture when mentioning Sarah beside him is an involuntary indication of where he remembers her having been as the limo came onto Elm Street. This tallies of course with where Pauline Sanders places Sarah (and herself) = east of the railing.

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« Reply #327 on: June 17, 2018, 07:39:14 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #328 on: June 17, 2018, 07:42:32 PM »
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Alan is correct and he actually says he was "right down, by the first step" how can that be confused with the what we know as the top step? What is seen in the films is irrelevant to this, it's only about what he said and we know what he meant, it's so clear a five year old would know he meant the bottom.


Barry:   I suspect that you are offering what you know to be insincere entries in order to obnoxiously screw up the dialogue that is occurring in this thread...What makes me suspect that is I have already explained what you are asking here in clear detail yet you are pretending I haven't and are asking for an explanation of something that has already been explained...In the general internet world that kind of deliberately insincere input is generally categorized as "trolling" and I will not abide or respond to either it or its issuer for reasons I should not have to explain...

I have already explained that Frazier cannot be down on the bottom step because if you pay attention to his description of hearing Calvery he says he then looked at Sarah immediately upon hearing this...If Frazier was on the bottom step he couldn't have immediately looked at Sarah who was back up on the landing...I thank Barry for trolling this because if he hadn't I never would have examined it and realized how it works in my favor...There's a particular type of poetic justice when people who are disingenuously looking for specks unintentionally provide you the evidence to refute them...

Further examination of Frazier's statement shows that he was about to say Calvery was "down" the sidewalk...What Frazier did was say "down" when referring to 'forward' on the landing because he had it in his head and misspoke...It is more than clear that Frazier meant he was standing by the first step down at the edge of the landing...

Why? Because the film evidence shows Frazier didn't have enough time to go to the bottom step and get back to the landing by the time of the Couch/Darnell film...Barry knows this which is why he tries to say the film evidence is irrelevant when in fact the film evidence is the most relevant because it shows reality...

The Prayer Man people got caught trying to use a speck to ignore the overwhelming evidence...When it blew up on them they went to their usual trolling to avoid admitting it...


 


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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #329 on: June 17, 2018, 07:46:59 PM »

Most smart people will understand that Alan's contemptuous refusal to answer the simple visual proof of Jake Sykes' avatar that proves Oswald is too thin to be Prayer Man is the conclusive proof that it is...

I love it when the Prayer Man people provide you the evidence that wins it for you like Sykes and DiEugenio did...

And we haven't even touched the Davidson enhancement...The Education Forum is a very honest and honorable site where Jim D defames me while flagrantly ignoring evidence and Chris Davidson stays quiet, even though he publicly claimed his enhancement showed the face of a woman and had the metadata to back it up...
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