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Online Brian Doyle

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #310 on: June 17, 2018, 05:28:16 PM »
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Frazier has been shown the Darnell still multiple times. Why has he not once even suggested it might be Sarah Stanton, a person he has been happy to mention elsewhere?


The Prayer Man cult has been getting away with murder for years by trying to force the issue to their disingenuous arguments...They have used mob-like domination practices to try to force the issue and the evidence to their dishonest terms...They openly, in public, ignore the best evidence, like Alan is doing here, yet while doing so not only demand equal say in the community, but controlling say where they block and ban and use dirty tactics and corrupted moderators to remove the opposition...Even with this clearly happening the bias is so bad that Jim DiEugenio actually has the nerve to say he has a philosophical dislike for people who try to force a one-sided view - the whole time he himself refuses to answer scientific evidence, has no public comments on his own Kennedy's And King website, and is approving of the censorship of the best and brightest while using personal defamation to justify it...No person who was seriously looking for the truth on the Prayer Man issue would make such obvious efforts to ignore what Frazier is saying in his 2013 interview, and no forcing of Frazier's inability or unwillingness to identify Prayer Man directly will get around that...It is plainly apparent to honest people that Alan is trying to force Frazier's lack of direct identification over what he knows he can't honestly answer and he shouldn't be allowed to do that...

The Prayer Man people know darned well that Frazier needs to be shown the entire evidence and the correct identification of Calvery in order to comprehensively ask him about Prayer Man in relation to this new understanding of the evidence...The Prayer Man people have poisoned and corrupted the credible research world by attacking this good evidence and anyone who was honestly looking at the evidence would see we have already proven Prayer Man is Stanton just from the evidence we have already shown...Frazier is clearly referencing looking at Sarah to absorb what Calvery had said and Couch/Darnell clearly shows him looking at the 5 foot 5 with wide hips Prayer Man at that moment...The Prayer Man people have destroyed the integrity and credibility of the assassination research world and they have done it with the bozo assistance of Jim DiEugenio, who should be made to pay the correct price...

When you post that Jake Sykes has refuted the Prayer Man theory by overlapping Oswald on to Prayer Man and showing Oswald is 2/3rd's as wide as Prayer Man Alan ignores it and returns to his canards and contrivances...

While Jim D once again exploits the political advantage of his biased mob no one on the Education Forum has the backbone or decency to ask him "Jim, didn't you post in public that when you first saw the Prayer Man image you thought the person in question was too stocky to be Oswald?"   

Jim, of course, while publicly complaining that he dislikes people who try to favor a one-sided view will do what he has done for several years now and ignore it...And the cult will let him...




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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #310 on: June 17, 2018, 05:28:16 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #311 on: June 17, 2018, 06:24:25 PM »
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Can you explain the relevance, Barry?

Frazier's comment at around 5.29 in the video which you refer to is a conversation he had with Sarah BEFORE the assassination had started, which in my opinion is not relevant to the debated images of the Prayer Person's location which are scenes filmed AFTER the shooting has finished.
Or am I missing something?

To be more accurate, it's a conversation he claimed in that one video alone to have with Sarah, elsewhere he says something completely different.
I believe the assassination started for those near the steps the moment they were told JFK was hit, that's now apparently around 20s after the actual shooting, with BWF having to be told twice, so I guess if he actually said it,  it still works for me, there's a window there.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #312 on: June 17, 2018, 06:25:16 PM »
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The Prayer Man cult has been getting away with murder for years by trying to force the issue to their disingenuous arguments...They have used mob-like domination practices to try to force the issue and the evidence to their dishonest terms...They openly, in public, ignore the best evidence, like Alan is doing here, yet while doing so not only demand equal say in the community, but controlling say where they block and ban and use dirty tactics and corrupted moderators to remove the opposition...Even with this clearly happening the bias is so bad that Jim DiEugenio actually has the nerve to say he has a philosophical dislike for people who try to force a one-sided view - the whole time he himself refuses to answer scientific evidence, has no public comments on his own Kennedy's And King website, and is approving of the censorship of the best and brightest while using personal defamation to justify it...No person who was seriously looking for the truth on the Prayer Man issue would make such obvious efforts to ignore what Frazier is saying in his 2013 interview, and no forcing of Frazier's inability or unwillingness to identify Prayer Man directly will get around that...It is plainly apparent to honest people that Alan is trying to force Frazier's lack of direct identification over what he knows he can't honestly answer and he shouldn't be allowed to do that...

The Prayer Man people know darned well that Frazier needs to be shown the entire evidence and the correct identification of Calvery in order to comprehensively ask him about Prayer Man in relation to this new understanding of the evidence...The Prayer Man people have poisoned and corrupted the credible research world by attacking this good evidence and anyone who was honestly looking at the evidence would see we have already proven Prayer Man is Stanton just from the evidence we have already shown...Frazier is clearly referencing looking at Sarah to absorb what Calvery had said and Couch/Darnell clearly shows him looking at the 5 foot 5 with wide hips Prayer Man at that moment...The Prayer Man people have destroyed the integrity and credibility of the assassination research world and they have done it with the bozo assistance of Jim DiEugenio, who should be made to pay the correct price...

When you post that Jake Sykes has refuted the Prayer Man theory by overlapping Oswald on to Prayer Man and showing Oswald is 2/3rd's as wide as Prayer Man Alan ignores it and returns to his canards and contrivances...

While Jim D once again exploits the political advantage of his biased mob no one on the Education Forum has the backbone or decency to ask him "Jim, didn't you post in public that when you first saw the Prayer Man image you thought the person in question was too stocky to be Oswald?"   

Jim, of course, while publicly complaining that he dislikes people who try to favor a one-sided view will do what he has done for several years now and ignore it...And the cult will let him...

Another angry off-topic rant that evades the question. Frazier knows that the Darnell film shows the Depository doorway just after the shooting. He also clearly remembers that Sarah Stanton was by him during this time. Yes not once has he even suggested that PrayerPerson might be her. Why not?

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Re: Prayer Woman
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #313 on: June 17, 2018, 06:33:12 PM »
Anyone who thinks Alan Ford and Bart Kamp aren't already aware that Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton is a fool...

Stanton was pretty large...Alan hasn't offered where he thinks Sarah and her large body are if not in the position where Sykes has already proven a person with hips 1/3rd wider than Oswald's is...

Stanton's grand daughter:  " Yes, I agree Brian...Prayer Man has to be my grand mother because all the other people on the steps are too small to be her. "

Alan agrees with me that Carolyn Arnold's witnessing is real and Oswald was in the lunch room at 12:25...That makes it highly unlikely Oswald was on the front steps during the shooting...Not only is there not enough time for Oswald to get back to the lunch room to be seen by Baker but he wasn't out of breath...If Baker & Truly were fabricating their witnessing they would hardly undermine it by adding the detail that Oswald wasn't out of breath...And now Sarah Stanton adds the detail that Oswald had a soda - which puts him even deeper in to the lunch room...



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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #314 on: June 17, 2018, 06:41:09 PM »
Let's be fair to ourselves at least, "we" only recognised Frazier from his hairline and then it all fell into place and apparently so did he, there's only one frame that shows it well, so like us he needed to see that good one, the person to his left could hardly be recognised visually in the same way but PM should be doable once you find the right person and I'm convinced it's going to have to look wee bit like Oswald whoever it is.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #315 on: June 17, 2018, 06:45:04 PM »
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Let's be fair to ourselves at least, "we" only recognised Frazier from his hairline and then it all fell into place and apparently so did he, there's only one frame that shows it well, so like us he needed to see that good one, the person to his left could hardly be recognised visually in the same way but PM should be doable once you find the right person and I'm convinced it's going to have to look wee bit like Oswald whoever it is.

To me this is just outright contempt right in the face of Jake Sykes' avatar that shows an overlapping of Oswald on to Prayer Man...That overlapping confirms what Jim DiEugenio noted... That Prayer Man was way too stocky to be Oswald...

In my opinion, ignoring this in public is a sheer act of willful dishonesty...Not to mention Prayer Man being Sarah Stanton's confirmed 5 foot 5 height...

No serious researcher questions the identity of Buell Frazier in Darnell...



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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #316 on: June 17, 2018, 06:53:00 PM »
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...And now Sarah Stanton adds the detail that Oswald had a soda - which puts him even deeper in to the lunch room...

You mean Wilma Stanton via yourself, that's who you claim you heard it from, did she write it in a diary or are you satisfied with this just pure 100% hearsay after she was told "that's your mother on the steps"(or should I say landing? Perhaps you can get Wilma opinion on this too?).

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #317 on: June 17, 2018, 06:55:33 PM »
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To me this is just outright contempt right in the face of Jake Sykes' avatar that shows an overlapping of Oswald on to Prayer Man...That overlapping confirms what Jim DiEugenio noted... That Prayer Man was way too stocky to be Oswald...

In my opinion, ignoring this in public is a sheer act of willful dishonesty...Not to mention Prayer Man being Sarah Stanton's confirmed 5 foot 5 height...

No serious researcher questions the identity of Buell Frazier in Darnell...

Perhaps if you shared it then I could see it. Where is it?

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #317 on: June 17, 2018, 06:55:33 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #318 on: June 17, 2018, 06:57:13 PM »
Better still,

Perhaps Brian, you could invite her to join this Forum to verify your claims.
What do you say, she would be most welcome here.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #319 on: June 17, 2018, 06:58:47 PM »
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Alan agrees with me that Carolyn Arnold's witnessing is real and Oswald was in the lunch room at 12:25...That makes it highly unlikely Oswald was on the front steps during the shooting...Not only is there not enough time for Oswald to get back to the lunch room to be seen by Baker but he wasn't out of breath...If Baker & Truly were fabricating their witnessing they would hardly undermine it by adding the detail that Oswald wasn't out of breath...And now Sarah Stanton adds the detail that Oswald had a soda - which puts him even deeper in to the lunch room...


Again you're just showing your ignorance of the very theory you've devoted your best energies to fighting. According to said theory, LHO told Will Fritz the TRUTH when he said he visited the second floor lunchroom to buy a coke for his lunch and then came down to the first floor. He was there (out with Bill Shelley in front) for the shooting and never went back up to the second floor. Baker encountered him at or near the first floor entrance and the second floor story is a bunch of hooey fabricated to put LHO near the rear stairs. Baker and Truly said LHO wasn't out of breath or sweating to get themselves (Baker esp) off the hook for having 'let him loose'.

Stop showing how uncredible you are. Stop exposing your lack of basic research skills. Do your godd-mn homework, man!
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