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Online Brian Doyle

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #330 on: June 17, 2018, 06:33:12 PM »
Anyone who thinks Alan Ford and Bart Larry Grayson doppleganger Bart " Ooooh...Shut That Door" Kamp aren't already aware that Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton is a fool...

Stanton was pretty large...Alan hasn't offered where he thinks Sarah and her large body are if not in the position where Sykes has already proven a person with hips 1/3rd wider than Oswald's is...

Stanton's grand daughter:  " Yes, I agree Brian...Prayer Man has to be my grand mother because all the other people on the steps are too small to be her. "

Alan agrees with me that Carolyn Arnold's witnessing is real and Oswald was in the lunch room at 12:25...That makes it highly unlikely Oswald was on the front steps during the shooting...Not only is there not enough time for Oswald to get back to the lunch room to be seen by Baker but he wasn't out of breath...If Baker & Truly were fabricating their witnessing they would hardly undermine it by adding the detail that Oswald wasn't out of breath...And now Sarah Stanton adds the detail that Oswald had a soda - which puts him even deeper in to the lunch room...



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Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #331 on: June 17, 2018, 06:41:09 PM »
Let's be fair to ourselves at least, "we" only recognised Frazier from his hairline and then it all fell into place and apparently so did he, there's only one frame that shows it well, so like us he needed to see that good one, the person to his left could hardly be recognised visually in the same way but PM should be doable once you find the right person and I'm convinced it's going to have to look wee bit like Oswald whoever it is.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #332 on: June 17, 2018, 06:45:04 PM »
Let's be fair to ourselves at least, "we" only recognised Frazier from his hairline and then it all fell into place and apparently so did he, there's only one frame that shows it well, so like us he needed to see that good one, the person to his left could hardly be recognised visually in the same way but PM should be doable once you find the right person and I'm convinced it's going to have to look wee bit like Oswald whoever it is.

To me this is just outright contempt right in the face of Jake Sykes' avatar that shows an overlapping of Oswald on to Prayer Man...That overlapping confirms what Jim DiEugenio noted... That Prayer Man was way too stocky to be Oswald...

In my opinion, ignoring this in public is a sheer act of willful dishonesty...Not to mention Prayer Man being Sarah Stanton's confirmed 5 foot 5 height...

No serious researcher questions the identity of Buell Frazier in Darnell...



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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #333 on: June 17, 2018, 06:53:00 PM »

...And now Sarah Stanton adds the detail that Oswald had a soda - which puts him even deeper in to the lunch room...

You mean Wilma Stanton via yourself, that's who you claim you heard it from, did she write it in a diary or are you satisfied with this just pure 100% hearsay after she was told "that's your mother on the steps"(or should I say landing? Perhaps you can get Wilma opinion on this too?).

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« Reply #334 on: June 17, 2018, 06:55:33 PM »
To me this is just outright contempt right in the face of Jake Sykes' avatar that shows an overlapping of Oswald on to Prayer Man...That overlapping confirms what Jim DiEugenio noted... That Prayer Man was way too stocky to be Oswald...

In my opinion, ignoring this in public is a sheer act of willful dishonesty...Not to mention Prayer Man being Sarah Stanton's confirmed 5 foot 5 height...

No serious researcher questions the identity of Buell Frazier in Darnell...

Perhaps if you shared it then I could see it. Where is it?

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #335 on: June 17, 2018, 06:57:13 PM »
Better still,

Perhaps Brian, you could invite her to join this Forum to verify your claims.
What do you say, she would be most welcome here.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #336 on: June 17, 2018, 06:58:47 PM »
Alan agrees with me that Carolyn Arnold's witnessing is real and Oswald was in the lunch room at 12:25...That makes it highly unlikely Oswald was on the front steps during the shooting...Not only is there not enough time for Oswald to get back to the lunch room to be seen by Baker but he wasn't out of breath...If Baker & Truly were fabricating their witnessing they would hardly undermine it by adding the detail that Oswald wasn't out of breath...And now Sarah Stanton adds the detail that Oswald had a soda - which puts him even deeper in to the lunch room...


Again you're just showing your ignorance of the very theory you've devoted your best energies to fighting. According to said theory, LHO told Will Fritz the TRUTH when he said he visited the second floor lunchroom to buy a coke for his lunch and then came down to the first floor. He was there (out with Bill Shelley in front) for the shooting and never went back up to the second floor. Baker encountered him at or near the first floor entrance and the second floor story is a bunch of hooey fabricated to put LHO near the rear stairs. Baker and Truly said LHO wasn't out of breath or sweating to get themselves (Baker esp) off the hook for having 'let him loose'.

Stop showing how uncredible you are. Stop exposing your lack of basic research skills. Do your godd-mn homework, man!
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #337 on: June 17, 2018, 07:01:11 PM »
Better still,

Perhaps Brian, you could invite her to join this Forum to verify your claims.
What do you say, she would be most welcome here.



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« Reply #338 on: June 17, 2018, 07:15:05 PM »
Alan is lying when he says Oswald claimed he was out front with Shelley during the shots...What Oswald claimed was he was in the 2nd floor lunch room when officer came in...The Fritz notes are written chronologically...Ford and the Prayer Man nuts know this, only they lie and need to bend testimony to make their fantasy work...No witness ever saw Oswald outside with Shelley either during or after the shots and if you apply intelligent analysis to Alan's input here Altgens shows Shelley during the shots and Oswald is not next to him...That means Oswald is over in the Prayer Man corner if he is theoretically there...Only if we go to Lovelady's testimony he describes the persons in those positions as being Shelley, Frazier, and Sarah Stanton from his left to his right - placing Stanton in the Prayer Man spot...

This false rendering of evidence originates from Greg Parker and his over-active imagination and nutty evidence hacking...

Alan and Barry:   Do you think the person Bart Larry Grayson doppleganger Bart " Ooooh...Shut That Door" Kamp has selected to be Stanton is her?

Alan seems to be having a problem responding to the Jake Sykes avatar that debunks the Prayer Man theory in a glance...
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Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #339 on: June 17, 2018, 07:25:04 PM »
You are deliberately not answering the rest of what I said...You're not credible...

Frazier did not have time to make that trip and get back up to the landing in Darnell...

Yes, a different scene than what Darnell shows...You Prayer Man crazies are so divorced from reality, and so self-deluded by your lies, that you make fools of yourselves by not realizing that YES the Darnell film shows reality and proves my point...That Frazier isn't seen going back up to the landing like would be required if he had walked down to the bottom step...Your logic is so perverted that you strongly make my point for me yet phrase it as if it backed you...

The "first step" Frazier is referencing is the first step down from the landing...You are deliberately ignoring that the video shows Frazier saying he immediately looked at Sarah after hearing this from Calvery...If Frazier was at the bottom step he couldn't immediately turn to Sarah like he says...He would have had to walk back up to the landing to do so...

You and Barry use references to Frazier's actions in the video to make your bogus points but ignore those same clear actions when they prove what I am saying...

Twice now you have avoided addressing how Frazier nods to his right and shifts his eyes rightward when referring to Sarah...

Brian and Alan,
there's a confusion here, the short film that Brian linked to only refers to what Frasier said and what he said has then been used to conclude that PM=SS, with no explaination, no nod to the evidence and no alternative, just a complete leap of faith and Brian claims gameover. All based on what Buell said, nothing else. Now I was hoping someone would notice later on that Buell does indeed turn to his RIGHT when again mentioning Sarah, the first comment under the video led me right to it but Alan is correct and he actually says he was "right down, by the first step" how can that be confused with the what we know as the top step? What is seen in the films is irrelevant to this, it's only about what he said and we know what he meant, it's so clear a five year old would know he meant the bottom.

Calvery he did not know by name at the time, more than one woman ran from that horrific scene and many worked at that building, so aside from Calvery are we to conclude that eveyone else came back and couldn't speak? Buell could be talking about someone other than Calvery or even more than one woman with memory confusing the two.
One minute you bet the house on one little thing the man said, the next you're claiming he can't be correct because your interpretation of the film says it happened only one way. Yorway or dahiway.