Prayer Woman

[Alan Ford]

In the full appearance Frazier first mentions Sarah here and twice in the same sentence he motions to his left with his hand, game on.
https://youtu.be/61woNu98rlM?t=5m29s

5.29 into this for the link deprived.

This is a great catch Barry. Frazier is talking about the point when he caught his first sight of JFK and Jackie as the limousine came on to Elm Street. He recalls having remarked to Sarah Stanton how beautiful Jackie looks. Twice he involuntarily motions with his left hand, including on the words 'the lady that was standing beside me'.

[Alan Ford]

The more I look at this image the more I wonder...

Is PrayerPerson a slim man with his body facing forward (=south), his arms folded and his head turned a good bit to the left?

One giveaway here would be the white 'V' of his open shirt collar, which is not directly under his chin.


Place your finger over his supposed 'left arm/hand' (=the 'arm/hand' we see to his right as we look at the image) and you should see what I mean. Takes a bit of getting used to seeing as we've been thinking of this figure as 'Prayer Wo/Man' for so long.


I think that 'left arm/hand' may actually be something he's clutching in his right hand, which is tucked under his left elbow. This something (paper bag? newspaper?) is sticking out from the left side of his body.

[Alan Ford]

There's been a suggestion on this thread that because Sarah Stanton said the limousine went out of her view as it went down Elm Street this places her west of the entrance railing. Not true. Otis Williams was east of the railing and he told Larry Sneed in No More Silence:

I had a clear view as it passed by of the President and all in the car, and then it went behind a little wall going toward the underpass ... I didn't actually see the President hit as he went behind that little wall.

[Alan Ford]

There's been a suggestion on this thread that Sarah Stanton seeing LHO near the second floor lunchroom before the shooting somehow destroys the whole LHO = PM theory. Not true. The original theory on the Education forum thread was BASED on LHO visiting the lunchroom for a coke before the shooting and not after it. The story Carolyn Arnold told Anthony Summers in 1978 about seeing LHO in the lunchroom was 100% believed. If Stanton told family members she saw Oswald up there before the shooting, then that only strengthens the idea that the interrogation reports put words in LHO's mouth. He never said anything to Will Fritz about going up to the second floor for a coke AFTER the shooting.

[Brian Doyle]

Is PrayerPerson a slim man with his body facing forward (=south), his arms folded and his head turned a good bit to the left?

Only a person who was purely ignorant of the evidence would suggest it...Duncan posted a GIF of the Prayer Man images a few pages back and it shows a woman who is facing Frazier holding her purse in front of her with both hands...The corner of the purse is making a notch in Sarah's right wrist...

Prayer Man's hips are very wide so anyone suggesting "he" is slim lacks photo analysis skill...Sarah Stanton has wide whips by the way...Jake Sykes made an avatar with Oswald overlapped on to Prayer Man and Oswald only takes up 2/3rd's of Prayer Man's girth...ROKC didn't even notice that Sykes' avatar refuted Oswald as Prayer Man...

This is made even more clear when a stabilized clip of both Wiegman and Darnell is shown of Prayer Man and "his" pivot towards Frazier...The pivot is Sarah Stanton turning towards Frazier to discuss what Calvery had said...

After the 40:52 mark in the video Frazier makes a very detectable lean towards his right when discussing his interaction with Sarah...He also turns his head and eyes slightly right when remembering looking at Sarah...There's no doubt Sarah is Prayer Man because the Darnell scene is the exact moment he describes as the time when he was interacting with Sarah over Calvery's information...

Alan Ford and Barry just outright ignore that Prayer Man is 5 foot 5 in height - which happens to be Sarah Stanton's height...You can review my posting over the years on Prayer Man...I have been saying for several years that Prayer Man is 5 foot 5 when compared to Frazier and that if we ever found her relatives they would confirm that Sarah was also 5 foot 5...They did...


         

[Alan Ford]

After the 40:52 mark in the video Frazier makes a very detectable lean towards his right when discussing his interaction with Sarah...He also turns his head and eyes slightly right when remembering looking at Sarah...

Yes, but he's talking about an interaction with Sarah down at the bottom of the steps. Why did you leave this detail out? Do you lack quotation analysis skills?

[Brian Doyle]

The story Carolyn Arnold told Anthony Summers in 1978 about seeing LHO in the lunchroom was 100% believed. If Stanton told family members she saw Oswald up there before the shooting, then that only strengthens the idea that the interrogation reports put words in LHO's mouth. He never said anything to Will Fritz about going up to the second floor for a coke AFTER the shooting.

This source of this rubbish is the uncredible Australian fantasist Greg Parker whose specialty is going deeply into the known assassination evidence and rewiring everything according to his fanciful imagination and then appealing to the public that he has figured out what really happened...Greg Parker is not a credible researcher and his "work" is just the silly efforts of a person who likes to take complex conspiracies apart and re-assemble them like a young boy who takes his dad's radio apart and can't put it back together...

The trouble with the rot Alan Ford is posting here is Carolyn Arnold was a real witness who was there at the time and did witness Oswald in the lunch room at 12:25...Alan Ford, Bart Kamp and the Prayer Man cult are just contemporary internet assassination "researchers" who speak with authority and assure us what they say is factual, but the truth is they are just a lunatic fringe with keyboard access who have grouped together under Parker's nuttery...Anyone can read Bart Kamp's postings and realize he is a punk who should not be taken seriously...He has the nerve to place himself over major witness Carolyn Arnold and tell people what she was really thinking and what really happened...Thanks to DiEugenio the research community has lost its mind and actually taken these kooks seriously and signed-on with their mangling of the evidence...Anyone who reads what Kamp offers will see it is just a parroting of Sean Murphy...The only reason Kamp takes the side of FBI and their altering of Carolyn Arnold's statement is because he knows that Oswald's being in the lunch room at 12:25 makes it impossible that he was Prayer Man...A simple-minded thread exists in Parker and Kamp's sickly spun web of needing to discredit any witnessing that threatens the Prayer Man theory...That is why Parker and Murphy attacked the 2nd floor lunch room encounter...It is because they were aware that when it was connected to Carolyn Arnold's witnessing it made it clear that Oswald was in the lunch room during the shooting for the 6 minutes in between...

Anyone with a skilled and honest approach to the witnessing will see subtle hints that Oswald told Fritz he was in the lunch room during the shooting...When Ball tried to get Fritz to say Oswald went upstairs to the lunch room to get the Coke Fritz wouldn't bite...Linguistic forensics pay very careful attention to wording...Fritz's answer to Ball was that Oswald just said he had a Coke...What Fritz was obviously indirectly saying to Ball there was Oswald said he was there the whole time...

In the Prayer Man cult's mind Sarah Stanton seeing Oswald by the lunch room; Carolyn Arnold seeing Oswald IN the lunch room; Fritz confirming his being in the lunch room and not going up there; Baker & Truly seeing Oswald there 6 minutes after Carolyn Arnold; and Oswald himself saying he was in the vicinity all adds up to everyone lying with Greg Parker figuring out how, and Oswald being Prayer Man, who has already been identified as Sarah Stanton with the Prayer Man cultists ignoring the evidence...

It angers me that Carolyn Arnold and Earl Golz couldn't be around to rip these Prayer Man people and Kamp a new one for insulting them this way...

Ford ignores that FBI potentially removed Stanton's story not because Oswald was on the front steps but because he was in the 2nd floor lunch room where they were already recorded as having erased Carolyn Arnold's account...

[Larry Trotter]

The more I look at this image the more I wonder...

Is PrayerPerson a slim man with his body facing forward (=south), his arms folded and his head turned a good bit to the left?

One giveaway here would be the white 'V' of his open shirt collar, which is not directly under his chin.


Place your finger over his supposed 'left arm/hand' (=the 'arm/hand' we see to his right as we look at the image) and you should see what I mean. Takes a bit of getting used to seeing as we've been thinking of this figure as 'Prayer Wo/Man' for so long.


I think that 'left arm/hand' may actually be something he's clutching in his right hand, which is tucked under his left elbow. This something (paper bag? newspaper?) is sticking out from the left side of his body.

As time goes by, it becomes more and more evident to me that PrayerPersonImage represents a female then employed at the TexasSchoolBookDepository. And, said image appears to be looking somewhat to her right, most likely just after, or before, a head turn.

It appears to me that PrayerPersonImage has a cup in hand, and standing at an angle that blocks view of her left forearm, but her purse is likely seen hanging tightly to said left forearm.

SarahDeanStanton stated that she could not see the President's limousine during the shooting, due to her location, and did not indicate it being blocked from view by some "little wall".

I see no way possible to confirm seeing, on the photo/film, any v-neck/open shirt collar on PrayerPersonImage.

I do hope that any claim that PrayerPersonImage represents a male, especially any claim that said image represents LeeHarveyOswald, is accompanied by something other than now deceased"witnesses are liars" as evidence.

[Alan Ford]

Anyone who reads what Kamp offers will see it is just a parroting of Sean Murphy...The only reason Kamp takes the side of FBI and their altering of Carolyn Arnold's statement is because he knows that Oswald's being in the lunch room at 12:25 makes it impossible that he was Prayer Man...

What are you talking about? Murphy sided 100% with Carolyn Arnold. His whole argument was that Oswald's being in the lunch room a few minutes before the assassination makes a joke of what the interrogation reports claimed he said.

It seems you've never even read the original Oswald Leaving TSBD? thread on the other forum. Uncredible!

[Alan Ford]

SarahDeanStanton stated that she could not see the President's limousine during the shooting, due to her location,

Which is exactly what Otis Williams, who was standing to the east of the entrance railing, also said.

Are you seriously trying to tell us that the white/blonde haired woman identified as Sarah Stanton in a photo from 1962-4 could possibly be Prayer Person? Are you blind?