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« Reply #240 on: June 12, 2018, 02:35:18 AM »
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No, the reason Kamp and Stancak refuse to post the family photo of Sarah is because it becomes all too clear that the large-sized woman seen in that photo would be hard to hide anywhere else on the landing...The reason they can't find Sarah anywhere else is because they refuse to admit the obvious - and what all the other evidence is screaming...That Stanton is the large-bodied and wide-hipped Prayer Man right where Frazier clearly puts her in his more than detailed 2013 interview... 


Sorry Brian but that is NOT a large sized woman up there. You're wrong there like you were wrong when you said Davidson's expert blow-up of the blurry framed showed it was a woman.

That photo of the very fat woman with huge arms simply does not fit the body shape of the person in the film frame.

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« Reply #241 on: June 12, 2018, 01:06:21 PM »
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Brian,
As surely evident, again without reliable evidence supporting the LeeHarveyOswald/PrayerManTheory, the presented evidence indicating PrayerPersonImage to be a female, then employed at the TexasSchoolBookDepository building, continues to be "discounted", and disputed.

Sadly, now even SarahDeanStanton has been labeled as a "liar", simply because she indicated herself to have seen LHO on the second floor, just before her going down to the first floor, and onto the entrance landing.


Larry, why did you underline all of the above post?
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« Reply #242 on: June 12, 2018, 04:36:59 PM »
It might help to mention to Stancak that it might not be the witnesses who were lying but the FBI who omitted or altered their statements...Since they were already caught doing it with Carolyn Arnold it is the more likely explanation...It stands to reason that if FBI altered Stanton saying she saw Oswald with a soda it was because he was near to the time and place that Carolyn Arnold saw him in the 2nd floor lunch room...

The Prayer Man people use corrupted, incompetent moderators, who are just backing their friends like school yard children, to flagrantly censor and ban you for posting the correct evidence and then ask you to post screen shots of your witnessing etc...These people are not credible and act in a way that shows an arrogant disconnection from reality...The two crooked gate-keepers who banned me aren't fit to touch the hem of my research garment and don't account for the good evidence they deny their members or the rotten methods they have now forced on the captive audience community that doesn't mind this destruction of community credibility as long as they are bailed-out from answering for their now debunked Prayer Man claims...These are cowards who argue from the safe protection of woefully unjust censorship and now consider it normal while demanding things from their victims that their own cowardly actions prevent those victims from delivering...Their booby moderation has now made the community a body of knaves, quacks, hacks, and fools that have sunk the JFK research ship by their own enforced lack of credibility...These people are not embarrassed by their banning those who disprove them and only being able to function from inside a rottenly corrupt system where all correct opponents are removed by incompetent bully moderators who lie about the reasons and violate their own site rules with impunity...It doesn't phase them at all that the people who stood up to their rotten claims, Gilbride, Walton, Graves, & myself were all banned by a crook who hunts the truth from the cowardly shadows...Look at the weasels who know this is wrong yet still accept the bully domination of that source as long as they are allowed to post...Pathetic...And provably resulting in the opposite of what those sites claim to do...

If you want to know what the truth is look at what the Prayer Man people omit when they comment on your postings...

  I posted a comment on Gayle Nix's website telling her Prayer Man was Stanton and she had gotten it wrong and she removed the comment...The Prayer Man group is a cult that gives itself the right to avoid discussing correct evidence and gives itself the right of flagrant censorship...
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« Reply #243 on: June 12, 2018, 08:43:12 PM »
Here we go again with James Gordon allowing the Prayer Man bullies to come in and take over the narrative while the opposition is banned from responding...

No one mentions to Andrej that Frazier was very specific in his detailing that he and Sarah were deep in to the shadows on the landing...If they were deep in to the shadows then they were on the landing and therefore had both feet on the landing...Once you show Prayer Man had both feet on the landing then you can say with certainty that "he" is 5 foot 5 in height when compared to Frazier and therefore too short to be Oswald...Gordon has allowed Andrej and Kamp to be the only voices on the issue...Therefore they are being shielded from answering these correct points... What Andrej does is seize the narrative by asking numerous questions...By doing so he avoids answering evidence like I am citing here...Andrej is assisted by Gordon in avoiding answering that Stanton's daughter told me Sarah was 5 foot 5...

Stancak listed "Tiny Woman" (Pauline Sanders) as being 5 foot tall...Stancak knew he had a problem because that excluded Tiny Woman from being the 5 foot 5 Stanton...Which meant he now had to find Stanton out on the landing and identify her...Only he couldn't do it...The recent family photo of Stanton sent to me by her grand daughter shows Stanton to be quite wide in body size...She would obviously be hard to conceal on the landing due to her size...Stancak couldn't locate Stanton so what he did was translate a glimpse of Pauline Sanders' face seen behind Lovelady in Altgens in to an imaginary Sarah Stanton he then inserted in to Darnell...This new imaginary Stanton was created out of thin air by Stancak because he knew the evidence needed him to come up with a non-Prayer Man Stanton...The community let him get away with this rogue fabrication...Stancak ignored that Prayer Man was the exact 5 foot 5 listed as Stanton's height...He also ignored the wide hips seen on Prayer Man that matched Stanton's...

Another thing Kamp and Stancak avoid with their aggressive so-called demands for evidence is that Shelley & Lovelady spoke to Calvery at the base of the steps before taking off up the Elm St extension...Since the Couch/Darnell clip shows Shelley & Lovelady well on their way up the extension, that means Calvery has already conveyed her information that the president had been shot to the occupants of the steps...Which makes you realize the timing is then established for Frazier and Sarah hearing Calvery's saying that...It then becomes undeniable that the Couch/Darnell sequence is at a time period where Frazier has to already be in to the process of communicating Calvary's information to Sarah...One look at the clip shows Frazier and Prayer Man focused on each other and directly looking at each other...This forces the conclusion that Frazier is speaking to "Sarah" at this moment, as he makes clear in the video...

I have never seen any Prayer Man supporter answer this and Gordon seems intent at not asking them...This is really a matter of credible moderation at this point...
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« Reply #244 on: June 12, 2018, 09:33:10 PM »
A couple of things of note, at least to me, is that "being in shadow" indicates being on the landing, and center to west. And, as I recall, Ms SarahStanton indicated that she was unable to see the limousine carrying President JohnKennedySr and Mrs JacquelineKennedy, as well as Governor JohnConnallyJr and Mrs IdanellConnally, along with the SecretServiceDriver and Co-Driver, as the shooting occurred. And again, at least to me, an indication that MsStanton was west of center on the landing, and not on the east of center side.

IIRC, someone aka Bary Kamp, posted elsewhere that MsStanton was east of center.
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« Reply #245 on: June 12, 2018, 09:45:21 PM »
More nails in the coffin...I just posted it around...

Guess Jim D isn't going to mention that to Kamp...

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« Reply #246 on: June 13, 2018, 06:18:39 PM »
Stancak finally managed to post a photo of Sarah Stanton on the Education Forum...That means, because of the community bias against the correct evidence in the Prayer Man issue, it takes the pseudo-researchers who still back Oswald as Prayer Man a week to finally recognize and post important images...

Stancak has offered a smorgasbord of pseudo-research for the wacking in his latest offerings...

The best shortest way to put it is Stancak has posted my family photo of Stanton, that it took him a week to recognize, but has not transferred the arguments that were attached to it over the Education Forum...As I have been repeatedly saying, if you want to know the truth look at what the Prayer Man people omit when they take your evidence over to their boards...

Stancak has taken the photo of Stanton to the Education Forum but he hasn't taken the accompanying evidence of comparing Stanton in that photo to Prayer Man in Darnell...Stancak deliberately omits the evidence and arguments I showed where Prayer Man's height is the exact same height as the 5 foot 5 told to me by Stanton's relatives...Stancak omits a comparison of Prayer Man's thick forearm to that of Stanton...He also omits any direct comparison of Prayer Man's wide hips to those seen on Stanton in the family photo...They are clearly a match...These omissions are a rank violation of photo analysis science...Finally Stancak gives no mention to Frazier clearly detailing that he was talking to Sarah when Calvery ran up...Stancak completely ignores that Shelley & Lovelady spoke to Calvery before going up the Elm St extension...Couch/Darnell shows Shelley & Lovelady well on their way up the extension, which means Frazier has heard Calvery's shouting the president has been shot and is obviously well in to the timing of asking Sarah what Calvery had said...This is firm, clever analysis that nails the goings on in the portal with good detective exactitude...How does Stancak deal with it? He totally ignores it with the knowledge that the Prayer Man muggers will help him do so with no punishment...Just like he ignored drawing a bent leg over what is clearly the radiator - which refutes his foot on the step claim, but the generous Education Forum members will help Andrej out of that by not mentioning this simple proof that shoots down his bogus foot on the step claim...The moderator will simply remove anyone who points out this correct evidence and Andrej will take full advantage of it while the moderator falsely defames the removed from the cowardly safety of his moderator den...On the Education Forum there is unlimited room for Stancak's illiterate foolishness..Correct evidence and its posters are quickly removed...

Stancak commits several grievous errors of science in his latest offerings...First he says Stanton's son Larry is 6 foot tall...Stancak violates his own 7 1/2 inch head length science when he does so...Larry can be no more than 5 foot 10 or so when compared to the 5 foot 5 Stanton right next to him...Once again, Stancak simply fudges when he needs countering evidence to go away...

Stancak commits grave errors of science with no problem from the other members on the Education Forum...After falsely calling the obviously short Stanton "tall" he then tries to directly transpose the family photo on to the Darnell Prayer Man image for a direct overlay comparison...Phonies like David Josephs will nickle and dime you on technicalities forever when you post correct images...Stancak, on the other hand, is allowed to post rogue violations of photo science with no problem what so ever form those same scurrilous characters...As anyone with a wit of common sense or knowledge of photo science would tell you, you cannot transpose the garden photo on top of Darnell like Stancak attempts...It simply doesn't work that way because the two images possess different perspectives and scaling...Even worse, if Stancak had done justice to photographic accuracy the image actually would have matched Prayer Man's height when transposed properly...

Stancak is desperate to make Prayer Man Oswald with one foot on the step so his childish Rube Goldberg attempts always start from that premise and mangle the evidence in order to make it fit...What Stancak is doing is diverting your attention to yet another one of his pseudo-analysis run-arounds in order to keep from mentioning that a direct comparison of Prayer Man's height in Darnell shows that Prayer Man is 5 foot 5 when compared to Frazier...Stancak slaps an invalid overlay of the garden photo over Darnell in order to avoid this...But if you simply look at Darnell, Prayer Man matches Sarah Stanton's confirmed 5 foot 5 height just like I have been saying for years...

Also, I'd like people to notice Stancak dropped his imaginary Stanton from his cartoon graphic...He knows there is no Sarah Stanton behind Frazier in the portal...He made that up because he knew he couldn't locate Stanton if he refused to admit Stanton was Prayer Man...The Education Forum members allowed Stancak to fabricate an imaginary Stanton exactly because he realized the evidence forced him to if he wasn't going to admit Prayer Man was Stanton...

I was removed from the Education Forum because the bullies who control it knew I would make quick work of Stancak with the legitimate evidence if allowed to post...It is a cowardly website...
     
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« Reply #247 on: June 13, 2018, 07:23:17 PM »
That offering by AS appears to me to be, at best, ridiculous, and is not relative size/position correct. I fail to see any reasoning for that effort, unless just plain lacking in applicable purposeful accuracy ability is involved. But, be not surprised if it ends up being "edited".

Maybe, hopefully, MW, and/or CD, will "quote" the post, for a record.

And, sometimes posted nearby, are different "versions" of the portal image. Sometimes an "imaginary female image" on the east side of the landing/upper step, and other times not there as filmed.
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« Reply #247 on: June 13, 2018, 07:23:17 PM »

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« Reply #248 on: June 14, 2018, 05:53:14 PM »
Apparently it is useless to post the errors Stancak is making because your information is ignored and has no effect...The JFK research community is in the gutter and is run by incompetents who dumb-down the content of their websites to suit the ability of their overseers in order to make it easier for themselves at the expense of credible content...The moderators on the two other forums are not qualified to oversee the level of technical material on their sites and react defensively to the best and brightest in order to prevent their lack of ability from being exposed...

I have already posted that Andrej Stancak is a rogue incompetent who regularly offers seriously flawed material that is not criticized on the Education Forum simply because the members are dealing with the Prayer Man topic on an internecine political basis and are therefore turning a blind eye to some really rotten science being offered by Stancak...

When you post that Andrej is entering images from one photo perspective and scale and overlapping them with photo images of a completely different perspective and scale it gets ignored and Andrej continues to offer his rogue violations of basic photo science unchallenged...The Education Forum moderators don't know what they are looking at so they don't notice the serious errors Andrej offers...Andrej is doing this deliberately because he is trying to pass off Rube Goldberg skewed pseudo-science in order to force his Oswald as Prayer Man claim...He knows the crooked members of the community will let him...

It is important to note that I have called Stancak out for offering height lines in his images that do not conform to proper photogrammetric science...He ignores it and offers the same Rube Goldberg clumsy science without even noticing the serious mistake he is making...This is the same guy who cheated and stretched his Prayer Man leg an extra 3 inches hoping no one would notice...And none of the silent gangsters on the Education Forum did...If I hadn't pointed-out Stancak's serious error the members of the Education Forum would have given Stancak yet another pass for his rotten mickey mouse garbage science and praised him for it...Education Forum moderation-approved Stancak is right back at it again without skipping a beat with his latest offering...

If you look at Stancak's height lines his computer graphic technology is drawing his height lines according to the 2 dimensional scale of the square perspective of the frame of his image...Look at the rectangular frame that Stancak's images are contained within and imagine it as a flat 2 dimensional surface...Stancak's height lines are being placed by his software on a flat 2 dimensional plane that conforms to the frame of the image...His height lines therefore will always conform to the 90 degree perpendicular corners of that framing...Look closely at Stancak's height lines and you will see they are always perfectly parallel to the top framing line...However then go to the actual contents of the image and realize the subject matter conforms to a 3 dimensional perspective plane that tilts on two axis's...The perspective plane of the subjects in the image conforms to the front wall of the Depository and the building...It expands as you go from left to right and therefore does not conform to Stancak's 2 dimensional scaling...This would be simply shown if Stancak placed one of his 2 dimensional height lines at the base of the upper aluminum window frame...He would see that the frame would go in a different direction than his height lines and leave a gap between the two...The aluminum frame is the correct 3D perspective for objects in the image...Stancak's height lines are not and are giving erroneous results...I have already posted this but Stancak is apparently blind to it...The booby Education Forum membership deliberately ignores it and therefore dismisses themselves from credibility...

No one on the Education Forum tells Stancak that he is offering ridiculous violations of his own science...Because Stancak is so desperate to force everything in to his Oswald measurements he is now claiming Frazier's head was 10 inches...This is the bizarro world the Education Forum moderation has created by selective censorship...Because the credible members have been removed in order to support the moderation's bias toward the Prayer Man theory no one is on the Education Forum to tell Stancak he is stupidly ignoring that we could measure Frazier's head today because he is still alive...Frazier's head would obviously be the 7 1/2 to 8 inches the human head is and therefore automatically show what clumsy Rube Goldberg garbage Stancak's offerings are...He's cheating and he's doing so in public because he is going to force Prayer Man to be Oswald even if he has to violate every law of common sense and science to do so - not to mention his own previous claims...Meanwhile if we go back to reality and properly drawn height lines we will see that Prayer Man comes up to Frazier's chin and if we apply that 7 1/2 to 8 inch head size it once again confirms that Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton's 5 foot 5 inches in height... And this is without mentioning the thick forearm and hips Stancak is openly ignoring, or the timing of Calvery's run to the steps... 

Not a peep on the Education Forum while Stancak gets away with photo analysis murder and the moderator says he is very happy with the current state of affairs on the forum...     
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« Reply #249 on: June 14, 2018, 08:14:35 PM »
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I have to wonder, as I wander, where is any reliable provable evidence for a conclusion that the PrayerPersonImage represents LeeHarveyOswald?

As a courtesy, reliable provable evidence has been acquired, and presented, for a conclusion that the PrayerPersonImage actually represents a female, then employed at the TexasSchoolBookDepository Building. And, said evidence therefor forces a conclusion that eliminates any male, especially LeeHarveyOswald, from being represented by the PrayerPersonImage.


As I've already explained, I don't rely on written statements based off of someone's memory to prove a case and neither do modern truthseekers. You can make a case sure just like the PM crowd does but you prove nothing. Circumstancial is being generous, true evidence comes from sources other than written statements.

There is no evidence it's LHO, it just looks like him.
There is no evidence it's a woman but you cannot rule it out.

Now this Stanton thing is actually a very good example, yes she said she was on the landing but I've found her double, twenty five seconds after the shooting "on the island" with PM still in his spot. Could be her? Well it would be pretty silly asking you and now Brian as he's just made clear.
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