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Online Brian Doyle

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« Reply #250 on: June 13, 2018, 06:18:39 PM »
Stancak finally managed to post a photo of Sarah Stanton on the Education Forum...That means, because of the community bias against the correct evidence in the Prayer Man issue, it takes the pseudo-researchers who still back Oswald as Prayer Man a week to finally recognize and post important images...

Stancak has offered a smorgasbord of pseudo-research for the wacking in his latest offerings...

The best shortest way to put it is Stancak has posted my family photo of Stanton, that it took him a week to recognize, but has not transferred the arguments that were attached to it over the Education Forum...As I have been repeatedly saying, if you want to know the truth look at what the Prayer Man people omit when they take your evidence over to their boards...

Stancak has taken the photo of Stanton to the Education Forum but he hasn't taken the accompanying evidence of comparing Stanton in that photo to Prayer Man in Darnell...Stancak deliberately omits the evidence and arguments I showed where Prayer Man's height is the exact same height as the 5 foot 5 told to me by Stanton's relatives...Stancak omits a comparison of Prayer Man's thick forearm to that of Stanton...He also omits any direct comparison of Prayer Man's wide hips to those seen on Stanton in the family photo...They are clearly a match...These omissions are a rank violation of photo analysis science...Finally Stancak gives no mention to Frazier clearly detailing that he was talking to Sarah when Calvery ran up...Stancak completely ignores that Shelley & Lovelady spoke to Calvery before going up the Elm St extension...Couch/Darnell shows Shelley & Lovelady well on their way up the extension, which means Frazier has heard Calvery's shouting the president has been shot and is obviously well in to the timing of asking Sarah what Calvery had said...This is firm, clever analysis that nails the goings on in the portal with good detective exactitude...How does Stancak deal with it? He totally ignores it with the knowledge that the Prayer Man muggers will help him do so with no punishment...Just like he ignored drawing a bent leg over what is clearly the radiator - which refutes his foot on the step claim, but the generous Education Forum members will help Andrej out of that by not mentioning this simple proof that shoots down his bogus foot on the step claim...The moderator will simply remove anyone who points out this correct evidence and Andrej will take full advantage of it while the moderator falsely defames the removed from the cowardly safety of his moderator den...On the Education Forum there is unlimited room for Stancak's illiterate foolishness..Correct evidence and its posters are quickly removed...

Stancak commits several grievous errors of science in his latest offerings...First he says Stanton's son Larry is 6 foot tall...Stancak violates his own 7 1/2 inch head length science when he does so...Larry can be no more than 5 foot 10 or so when compared to the 5 foot 5 Stanton right next to him...Once again, Stancak simply fudges when he needs countering evidence to go away...

Stancak commits grave errors of science with no problem from the other members on the Education Forum...After falsely calling the obviously short Stanton "tall" he then tries to directly transpose the family photo on to the Darnell Prayer Man image for a direct overlay comparison...Phonies like David Josephs will nickle and dime you on technicalities forever when you post correct images...Stancak, on the other hand, is allowed to post rogue violations of photo science with no problem what so ever form those same scurrilous characters...As anyone with a wit of common sense or knowledge of photo science would tell you, you cannot transpose the garden photo on top of Darnell like Stancak attempts...It simply doesn't work that way because the two images possess different perspectives and scaling...Even worse, if Stancak had done justice to photographic accuracy the image actually would have matched Prayer Man's height when transposed properly...

Stancak is desperate to make Prayer Man Oswald with one foot on the step so his childish Rube Goldberg attempts always start from that premise and mangle the evidence in order to make it fit...What Stancak is doing is diverting your attention to yet another one of his pseudo-analysis run-arounds in order to keep from mentioning that a direct comparison of Prayer Man's height in Darnell shows that Prayer Man is 5 foot 5 when compared to Frazier...Stancak slaps an invalid overlay of the garden photo over Darnell in order to avoid this...But if you simply look at Darnell, Prayer Man matches Sarah Stanton's confirmed 5 foot 5 height just like I have been saying for years...

Also, I'd like people to notice Stancak dropped his imaginary Stanton from his cartoon graphic...He knows there is no Sarah Stanton behind Frazier in the portal...He made that up because he knew he couldn't locate Stanton if he refused to admit Stanton was Prayer Man...The Education Forum members allowed Stancak to fabricate an imaginary Stanton exactly because he realized the evidence forced him to if he wasn't going to admit Prayer Man was Stanton...

I was removed from the Education Forum because the bullies who control it knew I would make quick work of Stancak with the legitimate evidence if allowed to post...It is a cowardly website...
     
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« Reply #250 on: June 13, 2018, 06:18:39 PM »

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« Reply #251 on: June 13, 2018, 07:23:17 PM »
That offering by AS appears to me to be, at best, ridiculous, and is not relative size/position correct. I fail to see any reasoning for that effort, unless just plain lacking in applicable purposeful accuracy ability is involved. But, be not surprised if it ends up being "edited".

Maybe, hopefully, MW, and/or CD, will "quote" the post, for a record.

And, sometimes posted nearby, are different "versions" of the portal image. Sometimes an "imaginary female image" on the east side of the landing/upper step, and other times not there as filmed.
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« Reply #252 on: June 14, 2018, 05:53:14 PM »
Apparently it is useless to post the errors Stancak is making because your information is ignored and has no effect...The JFK research community is in the gutter and is run by incompetents who dumb-down the content of their websites to suit the ability of their overseers in order to make it easier for themselves at the expense of credible content...The moderators on the two other forums are not qualified to oversee the level of technical material on their sites and react defensively to the best and brightest in order to prevent their lack of ability from being exposed...

I have already posted that Andrej Stancak is a rogue incompetent who regularly offers seriously flawed material that is not criticized on the Education Forum simply because the members are dealing with the Prayer Man topic on an internecine political basis and are therefore turning a blind eye to some really rotten science being offered by Stancak...

When you post that Andrej is entering images from one photo perspective and scale and overlapping them with photo images of a completely different perspective and scale it gets ignored and Andrej continues to offer his rogue violations of basic photo science unchallenged...The Education Forum moderators don't know what they are looking at so they don't notice the serious errors Andrej offers...Andrej is doing this deliberately because he is trying to pass off Rube Goldberg skewed pseudo-science in order to force his Oswald as Prayer Man claim...He knows the crooked members of the community will let him...

It is important to note that I have called Stancak out for offering height lines in his images that do not conform to proper photogrammetric science...He ignores it and offers the same Rube Goldberg clumsy science without even noticing the serious mistake he is making...This is the same guy who cheated and stretched his Prayer Man leg an extra 3 inches hoping no one would notice...And none of the silent gangsters on the Education Forum did...If I hadn't pointed-out Stancak's serious error the members of the Education Forum would have given Stancak yet another pass for his rotten mickey mouse garbage science and praised him for it...Education Forum moderation-approved Stancak is right back at it again without skipping a beat with his latest offering...

If you look at Stancak's height lines his computer graphic technology is drawing his height lines according to the 2 dimensional scale of the square perspective of the frame of his image...Look at the rectangular frame that Stancak's images are contained within and imagine it as a flat 2 dimensional surface...Stancak's height lines are being placed by his software on a flat 2 dimensional plane that conforms to the frame of the image...His height lines therefore will always conform to the 90 degree perpendicular corners of that framing...Look closely at Stancak's height lines and you will see they are always perfectly parallel to the top framing line...However then go to the actual contents of the image and realize the subject matter conforms to a 3 dimensional perspective plane that tilts on two axis's...The perspective plane of the subjects in the image conforms to the front wall of the Depository and the building...It expands as you go from left to right and therefore does not conform to Stancak's 2 dimensional scaling...This would be simply shown if Stancak placed one of his 2 dimensional height lines at the base of the upper aluminum window frame...He would see that the frame would go in a different direction than his height lines and leave a gap between the two...The aluminum frame is the correct 3D perspective for objects in the image...Stancak's height lines are not and are giving erroneous results...I have already posted this but Stancak is apparently blind to it...The booby Education Forum membership deliberately ignores it and therefore dismisses themselves from credibility...

No one on the Education Forum tells Stancak that he is offering ridiculous violations of his own science...Because Stancak is so desperate to force everything in to his Oswald measurements he is now claiming Frazier's head was 10 inches...This is the bizarro world the Education Forum moderation has created by selective censorship...Because the credible members have been removed in order to support the moderation's bias toward the Prayer Man theory no one is on the Education Forum to tell Stancak he is stupidly ignoring that we could measure Frazier's head today because he is still alive...Frazier's head would obviously be the 7 1/2 to 8 inches the human head is and therefore automatically show what clumsy Rube Goldberg garbage Stancak's offerings are...He's cheating and he's doing so in public because he is going to force Prayer Man to be Oswald even if he has to violate every law of common sense and science to do so - not to mention his own previous claims...Meanwhile if we go back to reality and properly drawn height lines we will see that Prayer Man comes up to Frazier's chin and if we apply that 7 1/2 to 8 inch head size it once again confirms that Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton's 5 foot 5 inches in height... And this is without mentioning the thick forearm and hips Stancak is openly ignoring, or the timing of Calvery's run to the steps... 

Not a peep on the Education Forum while Stancak gets away with photo analysis murder and the moderator says he is very happy with the current state of affairs on the forum...     
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« Reply #252 on: June 14, 2018, 05:53:14 PM »

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« Reply #253 on: June 14, 2018, 08:14:35 PM »
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I have to wonder, as I wander, where is any reliable provable evidence for a conclusion that the PrayerPersonImage represents LeeHarveyOswald?

As a courtesy, reliable provable evidence has been acquired, and presented, for a conclusion that the PrayerPersonImage actually represents a female, then employed at the TexasSchoolBookDepository Building. And, said evidence therefor forces a conclusion that eliminates any male, especially LeeHarveyOswald, from being represented by the PrayerPersonImage.


As I've already explained, I don't rely on written statements based off of someone's memory to prove a case and neither do modern truthseekers. You can make a case sure just like the PM crowd does but you prove nothing. Circumstancial is being generous, true evidence comes from sources other than written statements.

There is no evidence it's LHO, it just looks like him.
There is no evidence it's a woman but you cannot rule it out.

Now this Stanton thing is actually a very good example, yes she said she was on the landing but I've found her double, twenty five seconds after the shooting "on the island" with PM still in his spot. Could be her? Well it would be pretty silly asking you and now Brian as he's just made clear.
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« Reply #254 on: June 14, 2018, 08:25:16 PM »
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Brian,
As surely evident, again without reliable evidence supporting the LeeHarveyOswald/PrayerManTheory, the presented evidence indicating PrayerPersonImage to be a female, then employed at the TexasSchoolBookDepository building, continues to be "discounted", and disputed.

Sadly, now even SarahDeanStanton has been labeled as a "liar", simply because she indicated herself to have seen LHO on the second floor, just before her going down to the first floor, and onto the entrance landing.


Edited:For RayMitcham.

Again there is only circumstancial(unreliable) evidence for PM being a female and/or LHO.
Now in which statement did she say she saw Oswald and what makes you trust it?


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« Reply #255 on: June 14, 2018, 08:40:48 PM »
Bart Kamp has made a new entry on his Prayer Man website and the Education Forum pointing-out a woman down on the east steps as being Stanton and is claiming victory from this...

No one on the Education Forum points-out to Kamp that the video Hargrove linked shows Frazier emphasizing that Stanton was on the top step space (landing) and was deep into the shadows...

Not only is Kamp's Stanton too far behind and below Frazier to be Stanton, but she is way out into the sun and can't possibly be deep in the shadows...Kamp's Stanton is also several steps down and isn't on the landing as Frazier clearly explained...

Stanton also said she could not see the limousine during the shots...The person Kamp points-out has a clear view of the limousine from that spot...

When is the research community going to admit to itself it has allowed a highly uncredible person into unquestioned leadership of its ranks?
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« Reply #256 on: June 14, 2018, 08:42:24 PM »
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I seem to recall, as seen elsewhere, that someone aka AS, has a computerized TSBD Entrance/Landing area, with mannequins "inserted" in positions, apparently according to his analysis for "placement"(?).

And then, as evidence, he "refers to his own analysis" as proof of where entrance area occupants were standing?

The reason it's good is because we are too limited by the photographic evidence to understand clearly who stood where, in which position and/or step. I like it, it's an interesting project and seems useful.

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« Reply #257 on: June 14, 2018, 10:02:02 PM »
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Bart Kamp has made a new entry on his Prayer Man website and the Education Forum pointing-out a woman down on the east steps as being Stanton and is claiming victory from this...



Look at the size of his Pareidolia induced Sanders head in his posted image, It's tiny in perspective comparison to every other real person's head in that image, and his Stanton ID looks like a begging dog standing on its hind legs...sheeeeeesh, or should that be Woof! Woof!










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« Reply #258 on: June 14, 2018, 10:52:56 PM »
As I said before, the EF is going downhill and fast.  And I said that *before* I got banned there, so my saying that is not hindsight. It's one vast echo chamber of crazy theories and "atta boys."

In actuality, it may just be reverting back to its original mission of being a place where paid authors can shill their books to mere mortals like me. Of course, there are some good authors there like Jim DiEugenio, who focuses mainly on Kennedy's foreign policy and civil rights histories, among other things.

But scam artists like Lifton are also there. I'm pretty sure Lifton is the scammer who got me banned there when I xxxx him off about his upcoming scam theory.

Vince the Secret Service "Expert" is another one that comes to mind. How much of an "expert" do you have to be about the Secret Service? What a xxxxing joke.

All of the folks who provided good honest rebuttals to the crazies over there have either been banned or have left.


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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #259 on: June 15, 2018, 12:13:21 AM »
DiEugenio asked Kamp where he thought Stanton was?

Kamp responded with this obviously absurd claim...

You can see what the obvious follow-through questions are on Kamp's absurd location for Stanton in my post...

We'll see how DiEugenio responds...

If he follows his usual pattern he won't respond and Kamp's asinine location for Stanton will go un-commented on...

The moderation will also have no complaint about this absurd mis-use of the board and willful ignoring of my better evidence...

The video of Frazier I had Hargrove post on the Education Forum makes clear that Frazier insisted Stanton was up on the landing and in the shadows...Kamp contemptuously ignores this and the board moderation keeps the better evidence from being posted while claiming it is "sensitive to quality of content"...

Kamp contemptuously ignores that his correct insistence that Shelley & Lovelady are walking up the Elm St extension forces him to admit that Frazier is talking to Stanton at the exact moment seen in Darnell, since testimony says Calvery spoke Shelley & Lovelady before they left the steps...Kamp needs to ignore this because he knows it disproves what is he showing...

If DiEugenio were competent and honest he would ask Kamp:  "How do you relate Frazier's description of Calvery and her having communicated Kennedy's being shot to your location of Stanton vs Frazier's description?"

This is a necessary follow-through from the evidence I showed...Do you think Jim will ask it?
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