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« Reply #240 on: June 10, 2018, 09:06:11 PM »
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As long as the "LeeHarveyOswald is PrayerManTheory" is promoted as fact ::), anyone wishing to dispute the identification of "PrayerPersonImage" should continue to do so. Walk:

Larry, I'm puzzled why you say this. Nothing about this theory has made it any further up than on conspiracy theory forums.  No government body is saying it's a fact that it's Oswald up there. Whether you believe the theory or not, it's just that - a  theory - and nothing more.  Just like the thrumming copter theory that Brian believes in and I don't.

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« Reply #241 on: June 11, 2018, 04:07:11 PM »
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Larry, I'm puzzled why you say this. Nothing about this theory has made it any further up than on conspiracy theory forums.  No government body is saying it's a fact that it's Oswald up there. Whether you believe the theory or not, it's just that - a  theory - and nothing more.  Just like the thrumming copter theory that Brian believes in and I don't.
Actually Michael, it is quite simple as I see it. When the LeeHarveyOswald is PrayerManTheory became a "subject" a few years back, I had to wonder, as I wandered, how it could be possible for the accused LoneGunmanAssassin, after about 50 years, to have been on the landing,among several other persons employed at the TSBD, and yet no one reported seeing him there at the time of the shooting.

However, some uh, researchers agreed with the theory, so a dispute began. But, it appears to be those that dispute said theory are the ones frowned upon on other forums, and the subject was "shut down", and/or moved to an "area away from the mainstream discussion" area. However,the theory promoters could "freely bring it up at will", but the disputers were the "criticized" posters, and appear to have had actions taken regarding "posting privileges."

Also, in an apparent effort to aide the LHO/PMT, an attempt to claim that the SecondFloorLunchRoom Encounter, where DPD Officer MarrionLewisBaker, and TSBD BuildingSuperintendent RoySansomTruly, encountered LeeHarveyOswald at/or near the lunchroom did not occur, and was a "hoax". The SFLRE "HoaxTheory" primary evidence was that known participants and/or eyewitnesses, mostly deceased, were "liars".


So, I would think that the LHO/PM Theory promoters, and the SFLRE HoaxTheory promoters need to provide reliable provable evidence for "Their Claims", instead of "Subject Removal" and criticism of said theories' disputers.
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« Reply #242 on: June 11, 2018, 09:58:44 PM »
Hargrove posted my evidence over on the Education Forum...Apparently the Education Forum moderation allows Kamp to run the forum like it is his own website and tell people what they can post and not post...It is a pretty serious violation of research ethics to deny or ignore serious breakthrough evidence in the assassination...Especially if you are doing so in order to protect what you know to be bad claims or bad evidence that has already been disproven...The Education Forum is not telling the truth when it says it is "sensitive about quality of content"...DiEugenio and Kamp are hijacking forums, misleading the community, and deliberately ignoring serious new evidence in order to preserve their egos and patronage to Murphy...They are research outlaws...

The moderation overseeing this farce extends coddling platitudes to Stancak and cuddles him, telling him his work is so hard and underappreciated...Stancak should take his time and we'll wait...After accepting this huge bias in order to not have to too quickly admit he refuted himself with his 3 inch too long leg that isn't scientifically curable, Kamp and Stancak turn around and demand hoop and hurdle verification with full immediate evidence and documentation...Stancak, of course, turns to Lovelady for his back-up...Lovelady - the same guy who openly lied for the Commission in order to cover-up the real timing of Victoria Adams and god knows what else...Because Stancak exists on a very cowardly Education Forum playing field, where the Prayer Man people are guarded by brute censorship and removal for correctly questioning the Prayer Man claims, he practices a very particular type of selective amnesia where he forgets that Carolyn Arnold placed Oswald by sight in the 2nd Floor lunch room at 12:25...Gayle Nix lists Pauline Sanders as exiting the Depository to see the motorcade at 12:20...If Stanton was part of that group that would place her witnessing close to the exact same time we already know Carolyn Arnold placed Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room (where sodas were sold)...The Prayer Man group is a petty, cowardly lot...They are not men...They only exist in places where the truth tellers are removed or their ability to comment is prevented...Because of this oppressive censorship the family photo of Stanton, a major piece of new evidence, wasn't even posted on the Education Forum...That photo is a seriously important piece of new evidence...Because of the bully domination of the Prayer Man gang it wasn't even posted on the EF...In fact Kamp can't even bring himself to post it on his own Prayer Man site...That is how badly these people keep the truth from themselves...Mr DiEugenio: At what point do you become embarrassed?

Anyone who watches the video of Frazier Hargrove posted can see he clearly emphasizes that he and Sarah were deep in to the shadows on the landing...In fact they were the two persons on the landing who were deepest in to the shadows...Look at Darnell and you'll see Frazier and Prayer Man are the two persons who are deepest into the shadows...Kamp would like you to think that Sarah's light-colored hair was the only issue...In fact he would like to become site dictator and order people what they can talk about and post and what they can't...The Education Forum moderation doesn't seem to mind either...However Kamp isn't honestly addressing the other evidence...Since Frazier makes clear that he and Sarah were back in to the shadows that means they were back on the landing in order to be that far back...What Stancak is ignoring here is that places Prayer Man and Frazier up on the landing with both feet...As even Stancak himself admitted, if Prayer Man were standing on the landing he would be too short to be Oswald...Not only does Frazier confirm that Prayer Man is standing on the landing, but a height comparison between Frazier and Prayer Man makes Prayer Man 5 foot 5 inches tall...Stanton's grand daughter called her mother on the phone...In that conversation Sarah's daughter in law confirmed that Sarah was 5 foot 5...Stancak, of course, while demanding strict documentation and rigor doesn't demand it of himself when shown proof that Prayer Man's height matches that of Sarah Stanton perfectly...Stancak and Kamp ignore that the family photo of Stanton, they refuse to post, shows a chubby forearm that perfectly matches Prayer Man's...Even DiEugenio noticed this...The wide hips on both individuals also match perfectly...Both of those strict evidence-demanders grant themselves the right to ignore the timing of Calvery being at the base of the steps and how it proves that Frazier is talking to Sarah, as he more than details in the video...

No, the reason Kamp and Stancak refuse to post the family photo of Sarah is because it becomes all too clear that the large-sized woman seen in that photo would be hard to hide anywhere else on the landing...The reason they can't find Sarah anywhere else is because they refuse to admit the obvious - and what all the other evidence is screaming...That Stanton is the large-bodied and wide-hipped Prayer Man right where Frazier clearly puts her in his more than detailed 2013 interview... 

Another thing I truly don't like about the Prayer Man defenders is Stancak hints in his response that you can either trust Stanton's daughter in law or the FBI with the hint that the FBI is more reliable...Just what FBI did to Carolyn Arnold's statement alone should say enough...DiEugenio and Lauren Johnson have no problem with Kamp backing FBI over Carolyn Arnold...

   Who, on the Education Forum, is going to point-out to Stancak that since he establishes a 5 foot height for "Tiny Woman" that Stanton must be somewhere else...Sarah is too large to hide up there...Are we going to wait another year for Stancak to answer this while demanding fully documented and confirmed evidence from us? Stancak literally had to fabricate a non-existent Stanton exactly because he was aware of this problem...How credible is the Education Forum that they let him get away with that?

   It is kind of silly for Education Forum members to demand answers from somebody who they censored from the board...Recognizing good information and asking questions about it is equal to recognizing board qualification...What is the problem at that point and from whom does it originate? 
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« Reply #243 on: June 12, 2018, 02:35:18 AM »
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No, the reason Kamp and Stancak refuse to post the family photo of Sarah is because it becomes all too clear that the large-sized woman seen in that photo would be hard to hide anywhere else on the landing...The reason they can't find Sarah anywhere else is because they refuse to admit the obvious - and what all the other evidence is screaming...That Stanton is the large-bodied and wide-hipped Prayer Man right where Frazier clearly puts her in his more than detailed 2013 interview... 


Sorry Brian but that is NOT a large sized woman up there. You're wrong there like you were wrong when you said Davidson's expert blow-up of the blurry framed showed it was a woman.

That photo of the very fat woman with huge arms simply does not fit the body shape of the person in the film frame.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #244 on: June 12, 2018, 11:48:20 AM »
Brian,
As surely evident, again without reliable evidence supporting the LeeHarveyOswald/PrayerManTheory, the presented evidence indicating PrayerPersonImage to be a female, then employed at the TexasSchoolBookDepository building, continues to be "discounted", and disputed.

Sadly, now even SarahDeanStanton has been labeled as a "liar", simply because she indicated herself to have seen LHO on the second floor, just before her going down to the first floor, and onto the entrance landing.


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« Reply #245 on: June 12, 2018, 01:06:21 PM »
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Brian,
As surely evident, again without reliable evidence supporting the LeeHarveyOswald/PrayerManTheory, the presented evidence indicating PrayerPersonImage to be a female, then employed at the TexasSchoolBookDepository building, continues to be "discounted", and disputed.

Sadly, now even SarahDeanStanton has been labeled as a "liar", simply because she indicated herself to have seen LHO on the second floor, just before her going down to the first floor, and onto the entrance landing.


Larry, why did you underline all of the above post?
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« Reply #246 on: June 12, 2018, 04:36:59 PM »
It might help to mention to Stancak that it might not be the witnesses who were lying but the FBI who omitted or altered their statements...Since they were already caught doing it with Carolyn Arnold it is the more likely explanation...It stands to reason that if FBI altered Stanton saying she saw Oswald with a soda it was because he was near to the time and place that Carolyn Arnold saw him in the 2nd floor lunch room...

The Prayer Man people use corrupted, incompetent moderators, who are just backing their friends like school yard children, to flagrantly censor and ban you for posting the correct evidence and then ask you to post screen shots of your witnessing etc...These people are not credible and act in a way that shows an arrogant disconnection from reality...The two crooked gate-keepers who banned me aren't fit to touch the hem of my research garment and don't account for the good evidence they deny their members or the rotten methods they have now forced on the captive audience community that doesn't mind this destruction of community credibility as long as they are bailed-out from answering for their now debunked Prayer Man claims...These are cowards who argue from the safe protection of woefully unjust censorship and now consider it normal while demanding things from their victims that their own cowardly actions prevent those victims from delivering...Their booby moderation has now made the community a body of knaves, quacks, hacks, and fools that have sunk the JFK research ship by their own enforced lack of credibility...These people are not embarrassed by their banning those who disprove them and only being able to function from inside a rottenly corrupt system where all correct opponents are removed by incompetent bully moderators who lie about the reasons and violate their own site rules with impunity...It doesn't phase them at all that the people who stood up to their rotten claims, Gilbride, Walton, Graves, & myself were all banned by a crook who hunts the truth from the cowardly shadows...Look at the weasels who know this is wrong yet still accept the bully domination of that source as long as they are allowed to post...Pathetic...And provably resulting in the opposite of what those sites claim to do...

If you want to know what the truth is look at what the Prayer Man people omit when they comment on your postings...

  I posted a comment on Gayle Nix's website telling her Prayer Man was Stanton and she had gotten it wrong and she removed the comment...The Prayer Man group is a cult that gives itself the right to avoid discussing correct evidence and gives itself the right of flagrant censorship...
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« Reply #247 on: June 12, 2018, 08:43:12 PM »
Here we go again with James Gordon allowing the Prayer Man bullies to come in and take over the narrative while the opposition is banned from responding...

No one mentions to Andrej that Frazier was very specific in his detailing that he and Sarah were deep in to the shadows on the landing...If they were deep in to the shadows then they were on the landing and therefore had both feet on the landing...Once you show Prayer Man had both feet on the landing then you can say with certainty that "he" is 5 foot 5 in height when compared to Frazier and therefore too short to be Oswald...Gordon has allowed Andrej and Kamp to be the only voices on the issue...Therefore they are being shielded from answering these correct points... What Andrej does is seize the narrative by asking numerous questions...By doing so he avoids answering evidence like I am citing here...Andrej is assisted by Gordon in avoiding answering that Stanton's daughter told me Sarah was 5 foot 5...

Stancak listed "Tiny Woman" (Pauline Sanders) as being 5 foot tall...Stancak knew he had a problem because that excluded Tiny Woman from being the 5 foot 5 Stanton...Which meant he now had to find Stanton out on the landing and identify her...Only he couldn't do it...The recent family photo of Stanton sent to me by her grand daughter shows Stanton to be quite wide in body size...She would obviously be hard to conceal on the landing due to her size...Stancak couldn't locate Stanton so what he did was translate a glimpse of Pauline Sanders' face seen behind Lovelady in Altgens in to an imaginary Sarah Stanton he then inserted in to Darnell...This new imaginary Stanton was created out of thin air by Stancak because he knew the evidence needed him to come up with a non-Prayer Man Stanton...The community let him get away with this rogue fabrication...Stancak ignored that Prayer Man was the exact 5 foot 5 listed as Stanton's height...He also ignored the wide hips seen on Prayer Man that matched Stanton's...

Another thing Kamp and Stancak avoid with their aggressive so-called demands for evidence is that Shelley & Lovelady spoke to Calvery at the base of the steps before taking off up the Elm St extension...Since the Couch/Darnell clip shows Shelley & Lovelady well on their way up the extension, that means Calvery has already conveyed her information that the president had been shot to the occupants of the steps...Which makes you realize the timing is then established for Frazier and Sarah hearing Calvery's saying that...It then becomes undeniable that the Couch/Darnell sequence is at a time period where Frazier has to already be in to the process of communicating Calvary's information to Sarah...One look at the clip shows Frazier and Prayer Man focused on each other and directly looking at each other...This forces the conclusion that Frazier is speaking to "Sarah" at this moment, as he makes clear in the video...

I have never seen any Prayer Man supporter answer this and Gordon seems intent at not asking them...This is really a matter of credible moderation at this point...
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« Reply #248 on: June 12, 2018, 09:33:10 PM »
A couple of things of note, at least to me, is that "being in shadow" indicates being on the landing, and center to west. And, as I recall, Ms SarahStanton indicated that she was unable to see the limousine carrying President JohnKennedySr and Mrs JacquelineKennedy, as well as Governor JohnConnallyJr and Mrs IdanellConnally, along with the SecretServiceDriver and Co-Driver, as the shooting occurred. And again, at least to me, an indication that MsStanton was west of center on the landing, and not on the east of center side.

IIRC, someone aka Bary Kamp, posted elsewhere that MsStanton was east of center.
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« Reply #249 on: June 12, 2018, 09:45:21 PM »
More nails in the coffin...I just posted it around...

Guess Jim D isn't going to mention that to Kamp...

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