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Online Brian Doyle

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #250 on: June 09, 2018, 10:58:10 PM »
This is over guys...In this video Buell Frazier clearly describes "Standing in the shadows up on the 'landing' " (Buell calls it a space) after Calvery ran up shouting...He says that he and Sarah were standing in the shadows talking about what Calvery had said...Prayer Man is in the shadows and Frazier is seen facing and talking to "him"...

"Sarah, the lady I was standing by up on the top step back in the shadows"...

If you are sharp you will see Frazier describe Baker coming up the steps before "people begun to come back in"...

Clever researchers will detect that Frazier details him and Sarah being back in the shadows on the top step...Since Frazier is clearly speaking about the portal landing that means Prayer Man is up on the landing and is therefore 5 foot 5 inches tall - Sarah Stanton's exact height as told to me by her daughter in law...

Game over...End of story...

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« Reply #251 on: June 10, 2018, 10:25:24 AM »
This is over guys...In this video Buell Frazier clearly describes "Standing in the shadows up on the 'landing' " (Buell calls it a space) after Calvery ran up shouting...He says that he and Sarah were standing in the shadows talking about what Calvery had said...Prayer Man is in the shadows and Frazier is seen facing and talking to "him"...

"Sarah, the lady I was standing by up on the top step back in the shadows"...

If you are sharp you will see Frazier describe Baker coming up the steps before "people begun to come back in"...

Clever researchers will detect that Frazier details him and Sarah being back in the shadows on the top step...Since Frazier is clearly speaking about the portal landing that means Prayer Man is up on the landing and is therefore 5 foot 5 inches tall - Sarah Stanton's exact height as told to me by her daughter in law...

Game over...End of story...


Great, Brian.  But no "game" has been won.  So a crazy theory has been disproven (hopefully).  Now what?  Move on to other more important issues of the JFK story. Two suggestions for you are the ridiculous Hardly Lee theory and the scam artist Lifton's thrumming copter theory.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #251 on: June 10, 2018, 10:25:24 AM »


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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #252 on: June 10, 2018, 05:14:53 PM »
 

   Edit:   Sanders said 11:25...I would double check that because she might have said 12:25 and FBI changed it...
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #253 on: June 10, 2018, 07:41:04 PM »
I've seen "12:20" posted on Gayle Nix's website as a reference to the time Sanders went outside to watch the motorcade...Important because Stanton was probably with this group when they left and that is when she saw Oswald with a soda "by the stairs" (on the 2nd floor stairway landing)...

Nix incorrectly located Stanton on the steps by the way as being right below Otis Williams...

If Duncan hadn't provided us this space for posting the correct evidence the Murphy mob and their corrupted moderators would have succeeded in censoring it from the internet...   
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #254 on: June 10, 2018, 09:06:11 PM »
As long as the "LeeHarveyOswald is PrayerManTheory" is promoted as fact ::), anyone wishing to dispute the identification of "PrayerPersonImage" should continue to do so. Walk:

Larry, I'm puzzled why you say this. Nothing about this theory has made it any further up than on conspiracy theory forums.  No government body is saying it's a fact that it's Oswald up there. Whether you believe the theory or not, it's just that - a  theory - and nothing more.  Just like the thrumming copter theory that Brian believes in and I don't.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #255 on: June 11, 2018, 04:07:11 PM »
Larry, I'm puzzled why you say this. Nothing about this theory has made it any further up than on conspiracy theory forums.  No government body is saying it's a fact that it's Oswald up there. Whether you believe the theory or not, it's just that - a  theory - and nothing more.  Just like the thrumming copter theory that Brian believes in and I don't.
Actually Michael, it is quite simple as I see it. When the LeeHarveyOswald is PrayerManTheory became a "subject" a few years back, I had to wonder, as I wandered, how it could be possible for the accused LoneGunmanAssassin, after about 50 years, to have been on the landing,among several other persons employed at the TSBD, and yet no one reported seeing him there at the time of the shooting.

However, some uh, researchers agreed with the theory, so a dispute began. But, it appears to be those that dispute said theory are the ones frowned upon on other forums, and the subject was "shut down", and/or moved to an "area away from the mainstream discussion" area. However,the theory promoters could "freely bring it up at will", but the disputers were the "criticized" posters, and appear to have had actions taken regarding "posting privileges."

Also, in an apparent effort to aide the LHO/PMT, an attempt to claim that the SecondFloorLunchRoom Encounter, where DPD Officer MarrionLewisBaker, and TSBD BuildingSuperintendent RoySansomTruly, encountered LeeHarveyOswald at/or near the lunchroom did not occur, and was a "hoax". The SFLRE "HoaxTheory" primary evidence was that known participants and/or eyewitnesses, mostly deceased, were "liars".


So, I would think that the LHO/PM Theory promoters, and the SFLRE HoaxTheory promoters need to provide reliable provable evidence for "Their Claims", instead of "Subject Removal" and criticism of said theories' disputers.
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Re: Prayer Woman
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« Reply #256 on: June 11, 2018, 09:58:44 PM »
Hargrove posted my evidence over on the Education Forum...Apparently the Education Forum moderation allows Larry Grayson doppleganger Bart " Ooooh...Shut That Door" Kamp to run the forum like it is his own website and tell people what they can post and not post...It is a pretty serious violation of research ethics to deny or ignore serious breakthrough evidence in the assassination...Especially if you are doing so in order to protect what you know to be bad claims or bad evidence that has already been disproven...The Education Forum is not telling the truth when it says it is "sensitive about quality of content"...DiEugenio and Larry Grayson doppleganger Bart " Ooooh...Shut That Door" Kamp are hijacking forums, misleading the community, and deliberately ignoring serious new evidence in order to preserve their egos and patronage to Murphy...They are research outlaws...

The moderation overseeing this farce extends coddling platitudes to Stancak and cuddles him, telling him his work is so hard and underappreciated...Stancak should take his time and we'll wait...After accepting this huge bias in order to not have to too quickly admit he refuted himself with his 3 inch too long leg that isn't scientifically curable, Larry Grayson doppleganger Bart " Ooooh...Shut That Door" Kamp and Stancak turn around and demand hoop and hurdle verification with full immediate evidence and documentation...Stancak, of course, turns to Lovelady for his back-up...Lovelady - the same guy who openly lied for the Commission in order to cover-up the real timing of Victoria Adams and god knows what else...Because Stancak exists on a very cowardly Education Forum playing field, where the Prayer Man people are guarded by brute censorship and removal for correctly questioning the Prayer Man claims, he practices a very particular type of selective amnesia where he forgets that Carolyn Arnold placed Oswald by sight in the 2nd Floor lunch room at 12:25...Gayle Nix lists Pauline Sanders as exiting the Depository to see the motorcade at 12:20...If Stanton was part of that group that would place her witnessing close to the exact same time we already know Carolyn Arnold placed Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room (where sodas were sold)...The Prayer Man group is a petty, cowardly lot...They are not men...They only exist in places where the truth tellers are removed or their ability to comment is prevented...Because of this oppressive censorship the family photo of Stanton, a major piece of new evidence, wasn't even posted on the Education Forum...That photo is a seriously important piece of new evidence...Because of the bully domination of the Prayer Man gang it wasn't even posted on the EF...In fact Larry Grayson doppleganger Bart " Ooooh...Shut That Door" Kamp can't even bring himself to post it on his own Prayer Man site...That is how badly these people keep the truth from themselves...Mr DiEugenio: At what point do you become embarrassed?

Anyone who watches the video of Frazier Hargrove posted can see he clearly emphasizes that he and Sarah were deep in to the shadows on the landing...In fact they were the two persons on the landing who were deepest in to the shadows...Look at Darnell and you'll see Frazier and Prayer Man are the two persons who are deepest into the shadows...Larry Grayson doppleganger Bart " Ooooh...Shut That Door" Kamp would like you to think that Sarah's light-colored hair was the only issue...In fact he would like to become site dictator and order people what they can talk about and post and what they can't...The Education Forum moderation doesn't seem to mind either...However Larry Grayson doppleganger Bart " Ooooh...Shut That Door" Kamp isn't honestly addressing the other evidence...Since Frazier makes clear that he and Sarah were back in to the shadows that means they were back on the landing in order to be that far back...What Stancak is ignoring here is that places Prayer Man and Frazier up on the landing with both feet...As even Stancak himself admitted, if Prayer Man were standing on the landing he would be too short to be Oswald...Not only does Frazier confirm that Prayer Man is standing on the landing, but a height comparison between Frazier and Prayer Man makes Prayer Man 5 foot 5 inches tall...Stanton's grand daughter called her mother on the phone...In that conversation Sarah's daughter in law confirmed that Sarah was 5 foot 5...Stancak, of course, while demanding strict documentation and rigor doesn't demand it of himself when shown proof that Prayer Man's height matches that of Sarah Stanton perfectly...Stancak and Larry Grayson doppleganger Bart " Ooooh...Shut That Door" Kamp ignore that the family photo of Stanton, they refuse to post, shows a chubby forearm that perfectly matches Prayer Man's...Even DiEugenio noticed this...The wide hips on both individuals also match perfectly...Both of those strict evidence-demanders grant themselves the right to ignore the timing of Calvery being at the base of the steps and how it proves that Frazier is talking to Sarah, as he more than details in the video...

No, the reason Larry Grayson doppleganger Bart " Ooooh...Shut That Door" Kamp and Stancak refuse to post the family photo of Sarah is because it becomes all too clear that the large-sized woman seen in that photo would be hard to hide anywhere else on the landing...The reason they can't find Sarah anywhere else is because they refuse to admit the obvious - and what all the other evidence is screaming...That Stanton is the large-bodied and wide-hipped Prayer Man right where Frazier clearly puts her in his more than detailed 2013 interview... 

Another thing I truly don't like about the Prayer Man defenders is Stancak hints in his response that you can either trust Stanton's daughter in law or the FBI with the hint that the FBI is more reliable...Just what FBI did to Carolyn Arnold's statement alone should say enough...DiEugenio and Lauren Johnson have no problem with Larry Grayson doppleganger Bart " Ooooh...Shut That Door" Kamp backing FBI over Carolyn Arnold...

   Who, on the Education Forum, is going to point-out to Stancak that since he establishes a 5 foot height for "Tiny Woman" that Stanton must be somewhere else...Sarah is too large to hide up there...Are we going to wait another year for Stancak to answer this while demanding fully documented and confirmed evidence from us? Stancak literally had to fabricate a non-existent Stanton exactly because he was aware of this problem...How credible is the Education Forum that they let him get away with that?

   It is kind of silly for Education Forum members to demand answers from somebody who they censored from the board...Recognizing good information and asking questions about it is equal to recognizing board qualification...What is the problem at that point and from whom does it originate? 
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #257 on: June 12, 2018, 02:35:18 AM »

No, the reason Larry Grayson doppleganger Bart " Ooooh...Shut That Door" Kamp and Stancak refuse to post the family photo of Sarah is because it becomes all too clear that the large-sized woman seen in that photo would be hard to hide anywhere else on the landing...The reason they can't find Sarah anywhere else is because they refuse to admit the obvious - and what all the other evidence is screaming...That Stanton is the large-bodied and wide-hipped Prayer Man right where Frazier clearly puts her in his more than detailed 2013 interview... 


Sorry Brian but that is NOT a large sized woman up there. You're wrong there like you were wrong when you said Davidson's expert blow-up of the blurry framed showed it was a woman.

That photo of the very fat woman with huge arms simply does not fit the body shape of the person in the film frame.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #258 on: June 12, 2018, 11:48:20 AM »
Brian,
As surely evident, again without reliable evidence supporting the LeeHarveyOswald/PrayerManTheory, the presented evidence indicating PrayerPersonImage to be a female, then employed at the TexasSchoolBookDepository building, continues to be "discounted", and disputed.

Sadly, now even SarahDeanStanton has been labeled as a "teller of non truths", simply because she indicated herself to have seen LHO on the second floor, just before her going down to the first floor, and onto the entrance landing.


Edited:For RayMitcham.
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #259 on: June 12, 2018, 01:06:21 PM »
Brian,
As surely evident, again without reliable evidence supporting the LeeHarveyOswald/PrayerManTheory, the presented evidence indicating PrayerPersonImage to be a female, then employed at the TexasSchoolBookDepository building, continues to be "discounted", and disputed.

Sadly, now even SarahDeanStanton has been labeled as a "teller of non truths", simply because she indicated herself to have seen LHO on the second floor, just before her going down to the first floor, and onto the entrance landing.


Larry, why did you underline all of the above post?
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