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Online Brian Doyle

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #220 on: June 02, 2018, 07:01:26 PM »
As a point of order Sarah's grand daughter told me she thinks the photo is from 1962 to 1964...

She said the man in the photo is Sarah's son Larry...Due to Zambanini's admirable and credited diligent genealogy searches we now know that Larry was Sarah's son and was born in 1942...CREDIT TO ZAMBANINI...So whatever the age of Larry is in that photo is the year it was taken...I think it could be from 1969 or maybe even later but the clothes and photo-tech match the 60's...

Sarah Stanton is proven to be Prayer Man because the 5 foot 5 height that was confirmed by Stanton's grand daughter exactly matches Prayer Man's height when compared to Frazier...I have been posting for several years now that when we finally found a family member or medical records that Stanton would be 5 foot 5 in height...Stanton's grand daughter told me she asked her mother and her mother responded "between 5 foot 4 and 5 foot 6"...

When I back-analyzed Sarah's fat arm in the family photo I realized that Prayer Man's right arm in Darnell matched this chubby forearm perfectly...If you removed the false impression of a narrow wrist caused by the purse blocking part of Prayer Man's right wrist you would see this oversized forearm extend all the way to the hand and therefore matching the same forearm seen in the family photo exactly...

The width of the hips is an exact match...

Checkmate...

(I ask the members to bear more "pathological, hateful, ridiculous and imbecile statements" from myself here) LOL

By the way, Stancak is openly claiming Zambanini's "Sandra Styles" above is Stanton and has matched it to Zambanini's false reference to Stanton's photo that she removed...

My calls for cooperation were met with ignoring and personal abuse from the Prayer Man side...I was also banned from DPF for showing this correct evidence (which is directly against their posted site rules)...
 
DiEugenio: "When I first looked at the Prayer Man image I thought the person was too stocky to be Oswald"
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #221 on: June 02, 2018, 07:20:04 PM »
Brian, you used the info posted on the net and got a great result, if that's stealing then we're all thieves but you could have credited her I suppose.
I found Baker meeting Oswald in the DPD and someone else gets credited for it because they parroted it on FB, slightly miffed but also amused because it's the just way she rolls.
My pique is that there's a stabilized clip of all Prayer Man images that you posted in the original thread out there that proves beyond a doubt that Prayer Man could not have had a foot on the step when she pivoted from Wiegman to Darnell...It also shows Sarah fumbling with her purse...

Proving that Prayer Man did not have a foot on the step therefore proves that Prayer Man is exactly Sarah Stanton's now-confirmed 5 foot 5 height...

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #221 on: June 02, 2018, 07:20:04 PM »


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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #222 on: June 02, 2018, 08:51:36 PM »
Here's one.
I thought someone on the steps was a man based on what I saw in Wiegman and Darnell.

Reese is indicated above but next to her is a person in black top, an unusual hat and what I thought were trousers, looks like a man to me.
Find the odd hat and find the man I said.
Well someone did and we know exactly who it is now.
What did I learn? Apparently nothing.

Reading between the lines Linda seems to have found earlier images of Stanton that changed her mind with the Styles ID.

I still think she was correct the first time.



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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #223 on: June 02, 2018, 09:50:38 PM »
My pique is that there's a stabilized clip of all Prayer Man images that you posted in the original thread out there that proves beyond a doubt that Prayer Man could not have had a foot on the step when she pivoted from Wiegman to Darnell...It also shows Sarah fumbling with her purse...

Proving that Prayer Man did not have a foot on the step therefore proves that Prayer Man is exactly Sarah Stanton's now-confirmed 5 foot 5 height...

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #224 on: June 03, 2018, 12:55:13 AM »
Thanks Duncan...I think maybe the original one also included the Wiegman portions...

This subject is very interesting and shows an interesting angle in human psychology where one group of people on one website can present a set of information that deliberately avoids seriously qualifying other information...For instance Zambanini is receiving the usual automatic praises and congratulations but the people doing it are ignoring that she hasn't acknowledged the correct evidence or put her discoveries to their best use as far as figuring out the correct conclusions to that evidence...

The discovery of images of Pauline Sanders are almost meaningless compared to this new discovery of photos and data from Sarah Stanton's relatives...This is days later and the Education Forum still hasn't brought itself to post the image of Sarah Stanton or discuss the evidentiary significance of her daughter confirming her 5 foot 5 height...

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #225 on: June 03, 2018, 12:38:38 PM »
Brian,

Have you ever thought about just letting this issue go?  You seem obsessed with it to the point of becoming unhinged. Over a month ago, you reached out to me via Sandy Larsen on EF to ask me to post stuff for you on EF.  I then emailed you and your reply was not, "Hi, nice to meet you" but instead "Can't talk...eating...later." Fool that I am, I let you then send me another email but I do regret it and should have listened to my instincts after receiving a reply like that. Even the Jehovah's Witnesses who knock on my door trying to recruit me are nicer than your reply to me was, Brian.

I did post a few things for you and the next thing I knew you turned against me, calling my posts over there "blather."  And I, too, don't think that's LHO up on the steps for xxxxxx sake.

So Stancek and others continue to manufacture fake or dubious evidence over on EF trying to prove it's Oswald.  Big deal. And seriously, you actually think this image:



Shows it's a woman when it shows absolutely nothing of the kind but a bunch of pixelated blobs? It looks like a xxxxing Rorschach test, Brian. Get real.

What was shocking for me, too, after following this thread is that you claim Chris Davidson is an expert on photo analysis.  Chris Davidson? You must not know about the truly hilarious post he updates over on EF about his ridiculous mathematical formulas (dis)proving that the Z film is fake. It's so funny that Greg Parker's people made a parody of it...you should check it out.

To be honest, you're actually starting to sound like Jim DiEugenio, who has a very hard time ever admitting he's wrong about anything.

IMO, it's time to pack up and move on to something more interesting with the Kennedy case, Brian.

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« Reply #226 on: June 03, 2018, 04:33:34 PM »
T'was you who turned against me if you check the record...You forget that you first endorsed my discovering that Andrej Stancak had committed a serious scientific violation of accuracy in his so-called computer graphics...The Education Forum members (the same ones that called for a Lancer award for Larry Grayson doppleganger Bart " Ooooh...Shut That Door" Kamp) all did their usual and praised Stancak without noticing that he had done exactly what I said he would do if he tried to make Prayer Man's foot reach the step - he refuted himself...He presented a leg that was 3 inches too long...Because of my observation Stancak has to redo his graphic...The level of rigor on the EF is in the gutter because they would have signed-off on that rotten graphic...Instead of being thanked for maintaining valid rigor I get attacked...I don't think you realize those who unfairly dominate the JFK internet are intentionally trying to vilify me and ignore anything I post...The way to look at this is not by who posts the information but by the information itself...Those who are provably wrong on the Prayer Man issue practice a very cowardly and unfair conversion of straight information to attack on the person without ever honestly answering that information...

If you were to practice a more honest level of review you would notice that Larsen stopped posting after I used his correct identification of Gloria Calvery to show the correct timing of Frazier's statement that he was talking to Sarah...The reason I say you betrayed me rather than the other way around is because you abandoned your backing of my correct technical evidence and went right to arguing that the plotters never would have set up such an elaborate plot only to let the patsy spoil it by wandering in to the spotlight on the front steps...You are absolutely correct on that but it isn't the strongest evidence...Humans can be real weasels...When groups of people are aware that they are acting in a cowardly way and tolerating rogue injustice their minds seek to place blame away from themselves...Their minds try to convince themselves that it isn't them and their own personal failings that are the problem but is instead the messenger who has particular problems like being "obsessed", "insulting", or "argumentative", etc...

When Davidson discovered the woman's face I brought it to the Deep Politics board and posted it, congratulating Duncan for finally settling the issue...I was immediately set upon by "experts" David Healy, David Josephs, and Michael Cross who derided me and asked for a draconian amount of evidence in front of the obvious proof I had brought...The moderator Lauren Johnson eventually attacked me against his own rules and suspended me for 3 months chiding "you are not listening to the experts"...Magda Hassan and Lauren then sided with the Prayer Man crew saying Prayer Man was Oswald...When I tried to show them the correct evidence, like the DPF site rules encourage, I was marginalized and persecuted by L Johnson...In his banning logic Peter Lemkin said I was "obsessed"...Of course, it wasn't them who were violating their own rules by abusing their power and refusing to admit my correct evidence...

It is funny that you have no compunction towards the fact that I am responsible for more breakthrough evidence of late in the form of Sarah Stanton's family photo and her relative's confirmation of her 5 foot 5 height...It's funny that rather than be upset that the Education Forum inquisition refuses to post a breakthrough image of Stanton because of its source and are willing to censor the most important evidence to date in order to protect and prolong their provably wrong entries, you turn to me and blame me for posting this vitally sought after material...As if the entire definition of jurisprudence and correct procedure in debate since the Magna Carta could be reversed and the victim blamed for posting the truth others don't want to admit and practice cowardly actions in order to deny...Michael thinks that when groups of people are practicing rogue hypocrisy and deliberately denying correct evidence that the truth-teller is to blame...Hmm...

Meanwhile Stancak is back to his old tricks and is posting that Prayer Man is 10 inches below the top of Frazier's head when actually she is only about 7 and 1/2...Stancak is back to his old business of stretching measurements to fit his Oswald theory rather than credibly showing what is there...

Michael...This single issue has destroyed the credibility of the entire JFK research community...It has led to bully moderation kicking the best and brightest off of JFK research websites in order to preserve the personality domination of unskilled members who insist on putting their personal needs before the previous objective democratic standard they used to practice...The 3 "experts" I was suspended for not listening to never came back to argue the technical evidence that proved I was right...When you have a controlling group favoring you why come back and admit you were wrong when you can bully and ban - right? Nothing like a little directed censorship to allow bullies to avoid admitting they were wrong...It is quite effective when practiced collectively by people who define themselves as not doing that and being morally opposed to it (but then do it anyway when their egos are threatened)...After all it is not horrific dishonesty and corruption it is the fault of the victim who is obviously "obsessed"...Yeah Michael, why bother people by insisting the Earth revolves around the sun?

By the way, you are wrong about Davidson not showing a woman...Every single LINK DELETED: Links To websites which contain materials or links to materials which are unsuitable for viewing by minors is forbidden member who responded to my original post of 2 years ago agreed it looked like a woman...Even Stanton's grand daughter said it looked like a woman when I showed it to her...Davidson made a public statement on Burnham's site and said his enhancement shows the face of a woman...You don't seem to realize that Davidson posted his technical metadata that proved the woman's face was legitimately derived from the original Wiegman frame...Every single Prayer Man advocate who called for that metadata ran from it and could not answer it when Davidson posted it...That is the only place where Davidson can be criticized and so far no one has managed to do it...Davidson backed his evidence up...The Prayer Man people block and ban like silly children...If you do not possess the skill to detect the face in Davidson is not my problem...

Meanwhile I have discovered new conclusive proof that is being totally ignored...The fat arm in Stanton's family photo perfectly matches the fat arm on Prayer Man seen in Darnell...Also, Stancak is lying...Prayer Man is 7 1/2 inches shorter than Frazier in Darnell and not 10 inches as already-inaccurate Andrej suggests...When Andrej has a math problem he simply fudges and his moderator friends bail him out...There's open contempt for rigor going on on the Education Forum...When I showed that Andrej had misdrawn his height lines across the portal and not obeyed scale and perspective it was ignored...The height difference between Frazier and Prayer Man is 7 1/2 inches, not 10...

Prayer Man is 5 foot 5 inches tall and has both feet on the landing...Sarah's daughter said her mother was "between 5 foot 4 and 5 foot 6"...

Instead of apologizing for unfairly suspending me DPF banned me...When a person with no moderator avatar proves two persons with moderator avatars are violating their own sites rules it is funny how that person without the moderator avatar disappears...What was the DPF formed for again? To criticize governments and institutions that violated their own rules and denied truth and persecuted its tellers?       
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #227 on: June 03, 2018, 07:17:42 PM »
I would think a suggestion of "letting go" should be directed at those that continue to promote a non-provable "LeeHarveyOswald is PrayerManTheory".

There is no provable evidence that strongly indicates that the PrayerPersonImage represents any male. And, there is sufficient testimony that was provided by other TSBD entrance portal occupants and/or eyewitnesses, that LeeHarveyOswald was not there during the assassination and/or filming of the portal area.


Time and time again, now deceased eyewitnesses are labelled as liars, simply because they indicated the LHO as PM Theory as being non-provable.

So, credibility is at stake. After about 50 years, as I recall, "someone decided" that an image, not likely identifiable by photography/film alone, must be LHO, and all eyewitnesses that "contradict" said theory are liars.

Maybe, just maybe, a "motive" for promoting a non-provable theory should be questioned, instead of questioning and criticizing those that dispute said "theory".

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Re: Prayer Woman
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #228 on: June 06, 2018, 06:02:31 PM »
Sarah's grand daughter Wanda just told me (in reference to Prayer Man in Darnell) -

"Yes, I noticed she was larger than persons standing next to her."

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #229 on: June 06, 2018, 11:48:23 PM »
Sarah's grand daughter Wanda just told me (in reference to Prayer Man in Darnell) -

"Yes, I noticed she was larger than persons standing next to her."

Brian, I just wanted to reply to you again here.

Yes, I agree with you that the PM tale is infuriating because it muddles the JFK conspiracy narrative.  But there are plenty of others out there as well.  As a matter of fact, there is supposedly one coming out this year and it's by the scam artist David Lifton. I'm not afraid to call him that because that's what he is.  His so-called Best Evidence is nothing but a bunch of baloney and even worst, his new theory to further prove his body alteration theory is to...get this...state that Dr. Perry, who we all know cut into Kennedy's throat to try to save his life, did NOT cut into Kennedy's throat. In other words, the cut you see in the autopsy photos was done before the autopsy actually began.

And his "evidence" to prove this is:

A sound glitch on a Perry TV interview has been blown out of proportion; and
Bob Groden said Perry told him

And that's all.

I called him out over and over again and the last time I did so (you can read it here - LINK DELETED: Links To websites which contain materials or links to materials which are unsuitable for viewing by minors is forbidden/topic/24927-who-changed-the-motorcade-route/?page=9&tab=comments#comment-379522) I got permanently banned over on EF.

So yeah, PM is ridiculous but what else is there to say, Brian?  It's pretty much petering out. But to think that Lifton's Thrumming Copter and Scalpels at the Ready theory may get the crazies lathered up with the *gasp ALL NEW FURTHER PROOF OF BODY ALTERATION* should be vigorously debated and called out. Perhaps if you redirected your obsession to this one, this would bring attention to his scam theory.

 

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