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Online Brian Doyle

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #180 on: May 30, 2018, 08:30:27 PM »
If you go to Find A Grave Zambanini has found what she thinks might be photos of Sarah Stanton...She has posted them under the Sarah Juanita Dean Stanton entry on Find A Grave...

Find A Grave reveals Larry and Jack Daniel who were the sons of Mitchell Daniel and Sarah Stanton...
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« Reply #181 on: May 31, 2018, 03:32:21 PM »
Sarah Stanton's grand daughter sent me this image of her grand mother Sarah..



.As you can see she is a heavy-set woman who matches the exact height of Prayer Man...The hair is the right length too...

Sarah's daughter chimed-in and said her mother was "between 5 foot 4 and 6"...If you recall I have been saying for years my height analysis placed Prayer Man at 5 foot 5 inches...

Prayer Man has both feet on the landing and squares with Sarah Stanton's known height...The width at her hips also identically matches...

(Stancak is currently over on the Education Forum pointing out two women who are not Stanton...Just to show the wild and off to the races credibility of Stancak and his pseudo analyses...He has made a new claim on Stanton using two persons who obviously have nothing to do with anything while being ignorant of this new hard evidence that the Murphy crazies are ignoring - Though politely and therefore meeting the intellectual demands of the internet overseers)
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #182 on: May 31, 2018, 08:14:48 PM »
I still favour Pauline Sanders as being Prayer woman.
Here's a Michael Walton comparison. I must say, I am impressed by his attempted match.


Pauline Sanders said that she was standing at the East side nearest the door.

If you look at things from Pauline Sanders looking forward and facing the camera perspective ,ie, her looking towards the camera, then HER virtual East looking forward would be to her hand right side, and that's exactly where we see Prayer woman is standing.

Quote: "I was standing on the top step at the east end of the entrance"

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« Reply #183 on: May 31, 2018, 08:31:38 PM »
Duncan:  Prayer Man is in the furthest west side of the entrance...She is also at the front of the landing and not the "back row" like Sanders said...The rows are oriented front to back...

The problem with that is who is Tiny Woman then? Also Frazier is facing and talking to Prayer Man at that instant...We have established Gloria Calvery has gotten to the bottom of the steps by the time of Couch/Darnell so Frazier has to be talking to Sarah at that point since it is very unlikely he would delay asking what Calvery had said during an ongoing presidential assassination...The timing makes it Stanton, as do the hips...

In my opinion Walton offers a very unsophisticated, unskilled version that ignores good evidence...He just ignores the fact that when Davidson posted his image every single ROKC member who posted agreed it looked like a woman...Pretty good agreement for what Walton smears as a "pixelated blob"...Remember Chris Davidson is a highly credible photo analyst who is regularly used as reference by those on the Education Forum... He is held in high regard and I have never seen any of his findings questioned EXCEPT his Prayer Man Wiegman enhancement where the opposition carefully avoids confronting Davidson directly or answering why they hold him in high regard yet ignore his insistence that his image shows the face of a woman...No, Walton is not what I would call a credible source and his offerings are somewhat lacking in credible detail...

The bottom line is any credible photo expert will confirm that Davidson does show enough valid photogrammetry detail to validly determine the face is that of a woman...As I have been saying for years, this issue is at the level where only the top 3% of skilled analysts will correctly interpret the evidence...And we are dealing with an extremely spoiled/corrupted community that has used disgust over corrupt official sources to justify their own uncarefulness in research... And anyone with common sense would realize my nailing Prayer Man as being 5 foot 5 with this new evidence confirms Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton who just so happened to also be 5 foot 5...To not register how that relates to Davidson showing a female face exhibits a lack of caution in rigor in my opinion...

Prayer Man comes up to Frazier's chin...Frazier was 6 foot 1/2 inch...Subtract 7 1/2 inch for the head and you get 5 foot 5 - exactly what Stanton's daughter said was her height...

And don't forget the hips that match Stanton perfectly and more importantly are obviously too wide to be Oswald...
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #184 on: May 31, 2018, 09:21:52 PM »

Stancak:   " the height of inseam and therefore the leg length has nothing to do with the overall body height of the mannequin/Prayer Man - it was 5'9'' irrespective of inseam height. "


Again, Stancak makes bizarre statements like this and doesn't receive any chastizing from the obviously biased moderation...

No one asks Stancak how he intends to reduce Prayer Man's inseam by 3 inches without reducing his height by that same necessary 3 inches - since the rest of the body is attached to the leg...

He's stalling because he's caught - Just like last time when he took over a year to answer...

Stancak seems oblivious to his own science where his calibrated measuring sticks don't allow him to reduce by 3 inches without subtracting from Prayer Man's overall height...

Meanwhile he's ignoring all of our evidence - as well as the hips...

Stanton's grand daughter said the image of Stanton on the last page is from 1962 to 1964 and it shows her son Larry Daniel...
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #185 on: May 31, 2018, 10:42:23 PM »
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I still favour Pauline Sanders as being Prayer woman.
Here's a Michael Walton comparison. I must say, I am impressed by his attempted match.


Pauline Sanders said that she was standing at the East side nearest the door.

If you look at things from Pauline Sanders looking forward and facing the camera perspective ,ie, her looking towards the camera, then HER virtual East looking forward would be to her hand right side, and that's exactly where we see Prayer woman is standing.

Quote: "I was standing on the top step at the east end of the entrance"

Hello Duncan, do you remember photo of Pauline Sanders I have sent you last year? I will try to find it again. Remember the right hand was in the same position? I am quite positive it was Pauline.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #186 on: June 01, 2018, 03:31:10 PM »
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Sarah Stanton's grand daughter sent me this image of her grand mother Sarah..


Nice work Brian!
Did you get a date for the image?
Around 1959 my guess.

Here's a lil blow-up of the reporter with the shadow on his back fwiw.

Still think it's shadow or something behind him? I can entertain both.

Also Lovelady doesn't look like himself in Wiegman, he wasn't(and could never be) identified by his facial features but by his position that and the balding head which is amplified, just another titbit we dissagree on but what's new?

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« Reply #187 on: June 01, 2018, 03:49:03 PM »
 Stanton's grand daughter told me "between 1962 and 1964" - though I agree the dates should be further verified...The man is Sarah's son Larry who should be around 21 in that photo...

 I showed the grand daughter the Davidson enhancement and she responded "To be honest with you that woman appears too pretty to be my grand mother"...I explained Frazier's testimony that he was talking to "Sarah" and the timing with Calvery...The grand daughter said there is an aunt "who knew everything you are looking for" but that she's in a nursing home and the grand daughter hasn't spoken to her in years...

 Frazier saying he was talking to Sarah when Calvery ran up and the confirmed 5 foot 5 height cinches it and is verified proof that Prayer Man is Stanton (which I've known for years and we are only having to further prove because of erroneous researchers)...

 "That Woman"  - We don't really need any further proof at that point to disprove the Murphy theory...

The hips are a perfect match and push it beyond a doubt...
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« Reply #188 on: June 01, 2018, 03:49:48 PM »
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Barry, if you know, what is the source of the above photo and its approximate timeline?  Thanks.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #189 on: June 01, 2018, 04:23:14 PM »
Steve here's the full version from Murray, one of at least three he took within perhaps about thirty seconds.

Judging by the crowd I'd say this was around 1:20pm, maybe someone has another idea though,

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