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Online Brian Doyle

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #170 on: May 26, 2018, 05:24:23 PM »
Michael Clark ignores the clear evidence that Oswald was tightly controlled...Everything about him shows strict oversight by his Intelligence handlers...I don't have the time or energy to detail all the examples but anyone can see Oswald was a tight operator directly controlled by CIA at all times...He followed orders during his false defection and did was he was told...He followed strict orders during his agent provocateur work pretending he was a Fair Play Castro supporter in hostile territory...His doings during the Mexico City frame up shows a person who was not free to wander...His taking the Depository job showed a person who did what he was ordered...His jumping out of the bus to get home on time to make the Texas Theater rendezvous shows a person who was following strict orders that day...Oswald's not breaking cover at the police station shows a person who did what he was told...

Clark and the Prayer Man gang have no right to ignore Carolyn Arnold's witnessing...The liar Kamp knows Mrs Arnold's witnessing is damning to the Prayer Man theory so he lies and says the real witness Arnold is lying...Mrs Arnold wasn't lying...Kamp is the one who is lying...Oswald followed orders to be in the 2nd floor lunch room because that kept him out of the way from the 6th floor where he was being framed and also kept him away from the 1st floor where he might also be seen or picked up by the Secret Service...It's where Baker & Truly saw his lunch on the table and Coke that evidenced him being there during the shots...

The idea that the biggest organized conspiracy in American history allowed the patsy to wander outside and blow the game is silly and the people who blithely suggest it are also silly...Just like ignoring Davidson's clear image of Sarah Stanton is equally silly...The community is at an unrecoverable low because of it, and that might actually be the intent...And those doing it might be agents...

The key to persons like Clark is they arrogantly allow themselves the right to ignore the solid evidence I've posted above...

I'm still waiting for Clark or Laverick to explain what right Stancak has to continue when I have caught him drawing a bent leg over what clearer images prove to be the radiator...Apparently these researchers allow themselves the right to ignore condemning conclusive proof...
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Offline Larry Trotter

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #171 on: May 26, 2018, 06:11:25 PM »
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Who's "we"?
Pardon my butting in John, but I do recognize that "proven" is a strong term, especially to anyone unconvinced. That said, I do believe that through discussion posting, BrianDoyle and myself have presented evidence that enhances our conclusion that the LadyImage seen entering the stairway, and apparently "announcing" what she has just witnessed, represents GloriaCalvery. And, said evidence also indicates that the LadyImage to her right entering the stairway, represents KaranHicks.

Conclusions? Yes. Indicative evidence? Yes. Where BrianDoyle and I tend to disagree, slightly, is the value of the PrayerPersonFacialEnhancement attributed to ChrisDavidson. I have not been able to embrace said enhancement. However, I do not care to debate the issue.


As for as an opinion that "PM must be Oswald because it looks like Oswald", it is my conclusion that "seeing Oswald" is a choice for "wishes to see". However, I do believe that I understand the context of the statement.

I base my conclusions about the issue on the research, and my studies of said research, and make no claim of discovery. No Edsel here.


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« Reply #171 on: May 26, 2018, 06:11:25 PM »

Offline Larry Trotter

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #172 on: May 26, 2018, 06:26:39 PM »
Brian, your post/reply indicates, at least to me, the possibility that the SecondFloor LunchRoomEncounter was actually an accident, caused by the immediate response actions of DPD MotorcycleOfficer MarrionBaker. It just seems to me that the Encounter dissipates a LeeOswaldPatsy situation, although does not eliminate it.
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« Reply #173 on: May 26, 2018, 08:50:54 PM »
That's why Truly & Baker helped cover it up by not mentioning all the particulars like the lunch on the table, Coke, and specific location...The massive conspiracy that ordered Oswald to be in the 2nd floor lunch room during the shots is the same one that kept Baker from clearly defining his witnessing in his first day affidavit...I have no doubt Oswald simply dutifully obeyed his Intel instructions to be in the 2nd floor lunch room under the guise of staying away from the Secret Service...Little did Oswald know the whole intent was to frame him as being the shooter...Lee Harvey Oswald was killed by Ruby because eventually the truth would have gotten out of his presence in the 2nd floor lunch room and Carolyn Arnold's witnessing of it...

You can show Sarah Stanton's face on Prayer Man and it still isn't good enough for these nuts...

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« Reply #174 on: May 27, 2018, 04:08:37 PM »
Michael Walton has backed-off and backslid into useless blather...

The Prayer Man gang forgets Billy Lovelady mentioned those around him from his left to his right in order...The names he gave were Bill Shelley, Buell Frazier, and Sarah Stanton...One look at Altgens shows Shelley, Frazier and Prayer Man in those spots...Stancak tries to steal the narrative and invent new Stantons out of thin air, but the real factual and evidentiary record shows Prayer Man to be in the spot that Frazier and Lovelady mentioned Sarah Stanton as being in...

It is important to note that Kamp and DiEugenio do not respond when you ask them what a voice stress analysis would show for the Baker & Truly CBS interview...It is obvious to me that they already know the answer which is why they ignore it and the Davidson enhancement that they lied around...

David Josephs pretends to lecture that he knows exactly what Baker would be looking at as he coursed by on the 2nd floor landing...I think Baker saw Oswald flinch away from the vestibule window and went after him as showing a sign of guilt...The reason Baker omitted this from his first day affidavit is because it showed that Oswald was flat-footed and in position in that window as if he had been there for a while...The Coke and lunch on the table Baker & Truly witnessed showed that Oswald had been exactly where Carolyn Arnold had seen him 6 minutes earlier...Bart Kamp is now lying around this because of its obviousness while the rest of the community follows his ill-minded lead...Baker is very vague in his description of exactly what he saw in that vestibule window...The reason for that is because he saw something very precise that indicated Oswald had been stationary in that spot and therefore had not just ran down from the 6th floor...This isn't rocket science, however the Prayer Man cult will not admit the obvious because they know it refutes their bogus Murphy claim...YES - Baker and Truly offered sketchy testimony, but not because Oswald wasn't in the 2nd floor lunch room...They were mushy on their witnessing exactly because they DID witness Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room and the conspirators knew it exonerated Oswald...Anyone who lets the crank Bart Kamp lead them is extremely foolish...They are not good researchers and are not responsible for correctly guiding the community... 
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #175 on: May 28, 2018, 01:17:56 AM »
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It is important to note that Kamp and DiEugenio do not respond when you ask them what a voice stress analysis would show for the Baker & Truly CBS interview...It is obvious to me that they already know the answer which is why they ignore it and the Davidson enhancement that they lied around...


VSA is not good enough for most courts and for those who might even consider using it, the interview conditions would have to be controlled. You can't use a random tape alone, for that to be of any significance you'd have to compare it with other examples of him speaking and even then, if you could prove that Baker(or anyone) was nervous wouldn't prove he was lying.
Like a polygraph, if the subject shows signs of nervousness when asked a certain question, it's certainly interesting but you'd have just a good a chance at determining if he/she is being deceptive by flipping a coin.

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« Reply #176 on: May 28, 2018, 01:54:28 AM »
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Stancak already jumped the shark on credibility when he refused to answer for his drawing a bent left leg over the radiator...       

I can't really tell for sure if it's part of PM or the radiator, I tend to believe it's the former, that PM's body is blocking it and just wondering if Duncan has looked at it and what he found/thinks.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #177 on: May 28, 2018, 02:45:48 AM »
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... there is no reliable evidence indicating the PrayerPersonImage is that of a male.

... my conclusion that the PrayerPersonImage is that of a female.. relies on situational event testimony/statements made by TSBD Bldg Elm St entrance landing and stairs occupants...


Testimony that is unreliable and proves nothing(just google it, there's scores of articles citing significant research) while ignoring the fact that because it looks a little like Oswald in the Darnell footage strongly suggests this person to be male.
You keep saying the same things over and over but you will not answer my simple questions because you think you'll only be repeating yourself?
Where or when did you ever say/write/find/quote/research that testimony is reliable and conclusions should be based on it?

This woman's work might help you

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« Reply #178 on: May 28, 2018, 04:05:49 AM »
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His enhancement of the Wiegman film contains enough resolution to determine the face is a woman...I am 100% positive if we could get relatives of Stanton to show us a photo of her it would look like the woman's face in Davidson's enhancement...

Does Lovelady look like himself in the same frames? Not from what I've seen, I know it's him only from other more solid evidence, like Altgens, which to some is still considered a fake. Have you seen an enhancement of BL's face from Wiegman, would you even want to, just for comparison purposes?
You've also never seen an image of Stanton but you believe it looks like her, a complete leap of faith and very typical of the "research community" you seem to want to defend.

If the real Stanton looked as unsightly as what has been posted on page1 we'll know exactly why she stood at the back and out of the way.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #179 on: May 28, 2018, 05:38:35 AM »
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I can't really tell for sure if it's part of PM or the radiator, I tend to believe it's the former, that PM's body is blocking it and just wondering if Duncan has looked at it and what he found/thinks.


    Ah ha...

   Except the clearest shots show the white of the radiator which would be impossible if Oswald's dark pants were blocking it...They ignore it because they know it refutes them by itself and they literally can't answer it...

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