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Online Brian Doyle

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #160 on: May 25, 2018, 04:42:57 PM »
Michael Walton ignores all the evidence that Prayer Man is Stanton and says it cannot be determined...While his theory that Oswald would not have such a complex conspiracy surrounding him and be allowed to bungle it by being seen outside is correct and I agree with it, Walton does not discuss the best evidence that disproves it at a scientific level...

When the Davidson enhancement was first shown 2 years ago every single ROKC member who looked at it reacted that it was a woman...It is not accurate to say the image does not credibly possess enough clearness to determine sex because all those who looked at it agreed it was a woman...It is in the thread record that dishonest persons like Kamp and Stancak are ignoring...You can look at all the threads on this subject and the Prayer Man people have ALL backed off and conceded it was a woman at some point...They then scrambled to say the real issue was site conduct or politeness while also ignoring that they themselves were the worst violators of that...I was then bullied off both research websites by corrupted moderators who contrived rules violations when they were the ones violating their own posted site rules... Both websites have degenerated in to groups of friends pretending they are following formal academic rules...The idea is the 95% of the membership who backed Murphy will not have to admit they were wrong or showed a serious lack of skill (incompetency)...

Anyway, Walton ignores the fact that we have credibly identified Gloria Calvery in Betzner 3 and she is "Tall Woman"...Graves & Larsen were correct and Calvery is at the base of the steps already in Couch/Darnell...This is being deliberately denied by the "cheerleader" researchers on the Education Forum who simply chant that Prayer Man is Oswald and don't suffer the severe demands for rigor those who post the true identity of Prayer Man are harassed with by clearly biased gang-member moderators...I see Graves has suffered the censorship fate of those who try to post the truth on Prayer Man...Post my correct evidence on the EF and you will soon find yourself having difficulty posting...If you don't like it you can go somewhere else...A natural fate that the losers don't protest while bully administration openly censors opponents of the Murphy gang and therefore destroy the academic credibility of the JFK research community so the right egos can remain in charge right or wrong...

We have proven Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton because the Davidson enhancement shows her face...We have also proven Prayer Man is Stanton because the timing of Calvery already being at the steps proves that she had already shouted on the way there and therefore Frazier was already in to the process of asking "Sarah" what Calvery had said like he stated...Once you remove Stancak's fabricated Stanton that he made up out of thin air the only person Stanton could be is wide-hipped Prayer Man since the only other alternative is Pauline Sanders who is obviously too far away and behind Frazier for him to talk to... Walton, John Butler, Stancak, and Kamp all ignore this and therefore relinquish credibility...Stancak thinks all that is required is to force Oswald's image in to crammed computer graphics mannequins of Prayer Man...He has yet to answer why he has drawn a bent left leg over the radiator and none of the Murphy cult have asked him...These people are not objectively interested in the truth and the moderators help them avoid answering it with false accusations of site rules violations and censorship...Ask the Education Forum moderatorship why Stancak is being protected from answering how his drawing a bent leg over a radiator refutes his garbage graphics? My proving that Stancak is showing a radiator as a bent leg refutes his foot on the step mannequin and proves Prayer Man is standing on the landing...Credible moderation would realize it dispenses the need to refine his mannequin because it proves it can't have a bent leg... It has been stated by an EF moderator that content doesn't count and that the only thing that counts is how members treat each other (???)...Remember this is coming from a moderation team that rides people's backs on "speculation"...When you show hard proof like the hips and radiator the moderators help the violators ignore it...The site is then a safe place for Bart Kamp's trolling evasion of these hard points of proof...The Education Forum members are smart enough to see Stancak desperately clinging to stretched politeness in order to compensate for the bogusness of his claims...They tolerate it because they are playing a dishonest hand in order to save face on my demolishing the Murphy BS...

David Josephs has been posting for years that Prayer Man is very definitely Oswald...He then backed off and allowed that Prayer Man might be a woman after seeing my evidence, however he had the chutzpah to say he was demanding strict methodology and evidence - funny, he didn't demand that of himself when he was making the absolute claim that Prayer Man was Oswald...What an obvious phony who scampers right to the credulous protection of moderation corruption right on cue while credible analysts are persecuted because of him...He's safe on the Deep Politics board with the friend's clique protecting him while the moderation pretends to be practicing a high standard of oversight instead of just protecting the favored members...   
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Re: Prayer Woman
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #161 on: May 25, 2018, 09:15:14 PM »
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That's no more valid than saying the PM must be Oswald because it "looks like Oswald".

A person who was objectively seeking the correct evidence would not ignore that once we prove Stancak has drawn a bent leg over the radiator that it proves that Prayer Man is standing on the landing...Once you prove Prayer Man is standing on the landing that proves that his height is too short to be Oswald...Also: Once you properly reject Stancak's fabricated Stanton that he pulled out of thin air and placed behind Frazier the only person Frazier could be talking to is Prayer Man (Stanton) since the only remaining woman is Sanders and she's way too far behind Frazier to be spoken to...Prayer Man's hips are also visibly too wide to be Oswald...

We have proven Calvery is at the base of the steps in Couch/Darnell...That means she had just finished running to the steps shouting "The president has been shot"...That means Frazier has heard her and the timing involved with a person who is witnessing gunshots and an assassination is one where he would not have delayed asking Stanton what Calvery had just said...Frazier is facing and talking to Prayer Man in Couch/Darnell which means Prayer Man has to be Stanton...

You also cannot compare the less clear Darnell image where people were saying Prayer Man looked like Oswald to the best clarity enlargement and technical enhancement that Davidson represents...It wouldn't be scientifically accurate or honest...Apples and rotten oranges...
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #162 on: May 25, 2018, 09:28:38 PM »
Who's "we"?

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« Reply #163 on: May 26, 2018, 05:24:23 PM »
Michael Clark ignores the clear evidence that Oswald was tightly controlled...Everything about him shows strict oversight by his Intelligence handlers...I don't have the time or energy to detail all the examples but anyone can see Oswald was a tight operator directly controlled by CIA at all times...He followed orders during his false defection and did was he was told...He followed strict orders during his agent provocateur work pretending he was a Fair Play Castro supporter in hostile territory...His doings during the Mexico City frame up shows a person who was not free to wander...His taking the Depository job showed a person who did what he was ordered...His jumping out of the bus to get home on time to make the Texas Theater rendezvous shows a person who was following strict orders that day...Oswald's not breaking cover at the police station shows a person who did what he was told...

Clark and the Prayer Man gang have no right to ignore Carolyn Arnold's witnessing...The liar Kamp knows Mrs Arnold's witnessing is damning to the Prayer Man theory so he lies and says the real witness Arnold is lying...Mrs Arnold wasn't lying...Kamp is the one who is lying...Oswald followed orders to be in the 2nd floor lunch room because that kept him out of the way from the 6th floor where he was being framed and also kept him away from the 1st floor where he might also be seen or picked up by the Secret Service...It's where Baker & Truly saw his lunch on the table and Coke that evidenced him being there during the shots...

The idea that the biggest organized conspiracy in American history allowed the patsy to wander outside and blow the game is silly and the people who blithely suggest it are also silly...Just like ignoring Davidson's clear image of Sarah Stanton is equally silly...The community is at an unrecoverable low because of it, and that might actually be the intent...And those doing it might be agents...

The key to persons like Clark is they arrogantly allow themselves the right to ignore the solid evidence I've posted above...

I'm still waiting for Clark or Laverick to explain what right Stancak has to continue when I have caught him drawing a bent leg over what clearer images prove to be the radiator...Apparently these researchers allow themselves the right to ignore condemning conclusive proof...
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #164 on: May 26, 2018, 06:11:25 PM »
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Who's "we"?
Pardon my butting in John, but I do recognize that "proven" is a strong term, especially to anyone unconvinced. That said, I do believe that through discussion posting, BrianDoyle and myself have presented evidence that enhances our conclusion that the LadyImage seen entering the stairway, and apparently "announcing" what she has just witnessed, represents GloriaCalvery. And, said evidence also indicates that the LadyImage to her right entering the stairway, represents KaranHicks.

Conclusions? Yes. Indicative evidence? Yes. Where BrianDoyle and I tend to disagree, slightly, is the value of the PrayerPersonFacialEnhancement attributed to ChrisDavidson. I have not been able to embrace said enhancement. However, I do not care to debate the issue.


As for as an opinion that "PM must be Oswald because it looks like Oswald", it is my conclusion that "seeing Oswald" is a choice for "wishes to see". However, I do believe that I understand the context of the statement.

I base my conclusions about the issue on the research, and my studies of said research, and make no claim of discovery. No Edsel here.


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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #165 on: May 26, 2018, 06:26:39 PM »
Brian, your post/reply indicates, at least to me, the possibility that the SecondFloor LunchRoomEncounter was actually an accident, caused by the immediate response actions of DPD MotorcycleOfficer MarrionBaker. It just seems to me that the Encounter dissipates a LeeOswaldPatsy situation, although does not eliminate it.
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Prayer Woman
« Reply #166 on: May 26, 2018, 08:50:54 PM »
That's why Truly & Baker helped cover it up by not mentioning all the particulars like the lunch on the table, Coke, and specific location...The massive conspiracy that ordered Oswald to be in the 2nd floor lunch room during the shots is the same one that kept Baker from clearly defining his witnessing in his first day affidavit...I have no doubt Oswald simply dutifully obeyed his Intel instructions to be in the 2nd floor lunch room under the guise of staying away from the Secret Service...Little did Oswald know the whole intent was to frame him as being the shooter...Lee Harvey Oswald was killed by Ruby because eventually the truth would have gotten out of his presence in the 2nd floor lunch room and Carolyn Arnold's witnessing of it...

You can show Sarah Stanton's face on Prayer Man and it still isn't good enough for these nuts...

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« Reply #167 on: May 27, 2018, 04:08:37 PM »
Michael Walton has backed-off and backslid into useless blather...

The Prayer Man gang forgets Billy Lovelady mentioned those around him from his left to his right in order...The names he gave were Bill Shelley, Buell Frazier, and Sarah Stanton...One look at Altgens shows Shelley, Frazier and Prayer Man in those spots...Stancak tries to steal the narrative and invent new Stantons out of thin air, but the real factual and evidentiary record shows Prayer Man to be in the spot that Frazier and Lovelady mentioned Sarah Stanton as being in...

It is important to note that Kamp and DiEugenio do not respond when you ask them what a voice stress analysis would show for the Baker & Truly CBS interview...It is obvious to me that they already know the answer which is why they ignore it and the Davidson enhancement that they lied around...

David Josephs pretends to lecture that he knows exactly what Baker would be looking at as he coursed by on the 2nd floor landing...I think Baker saw Oswald flinch away from the vestibule window and went after him as showing a sign of guilt...The reason Baker omitted this from his first day affidavit is because it showed that Oswald was flat-footed and in position in that window as if he had been there for a while...The Coke and lunch on the table Baker & Truly witnessed showed that Oswald had been exactly where Carolyn Arnold had seen him 6 minutes earlier...Bart Kamp is now lying around this because of its obviousness while the rest of the community follows his ill-minded lead...Baker is very vague in his description of exactly what he saw in that vestibule window...The reason for that is because he saw something very precise that indicated Oswald had been stationary in that spot and therefore had not just ran down from the 6th floor...This isn't rocket science, however the Prayer Man cult will not admit the obvious because they know it refutes their bogus Murphy claim...YES - Baker and Truly offered sketchy testimony, but not because Oswald wasn't in the 2nd floor lunch room...They were mushy on their witnessing exactly because they DID witness Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room and the conspirators knew it exonerated Oswald...Anyone who lets the crank Bart Kamp lead them is extremely foolish...They are not good researchers and are not responsible for correctly guiding the community... 
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #168 on: May 28, 2018, 01:17:56 AM »
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It is important to note that Kamp and DiEugenio do not respond when you ask them what a voice stress analysis would show for the Baker & Truly CBS interview...It is obvious to me that they already know the answer which is why they ignore it and the Davidson enhancement that they lied around...


VSA is not good enough for most courts and for those who might even consider using it, the interview conditions would have to be controlled. You can't use a random tape alone, for that to be of any significance you'd have to compare it with other examples of him speaking and even then, if you could prove that Baker(or anyone) was nervous wouldn't prove he was lying.
Like a polygraph, if the subject shows signs of nervousness when asked a certain question, it's certainly interesting but you'd have just a good a chance at determining if he/she is being deceptive by flipping a coin.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #169 on: May 28, 2018, 01:54:28 AM »
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Stancak already jumped the shark on credibility when he refused to answer for his drawing a bent left leg over the radiator...       

I can't really tell for sure if it's part of PM or the radiator, I tend to believe it's the former, that PM's body is blocking it and just wondering if Duncan has looked at it and what he found/thinks.

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