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Offline Matthew Finch

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #150 on: May 22, 2018, 12:49:27 PM »
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The Prayer Man promoters keep getting away with denying the Davidson enhancement...The Davidson enhancement in itself proves Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...When it was first posted over 2 years ago every ROKC member who saw it admitted it looked like a woman...They then backed-off saying yes it did appear like a woman but was a freak image that appeared because of photographic glitches...Rubbish...The woman's face is a real part of the Wiegman celluloid frame and the Murphy cult has gotten away with ignoring sound scientific evidence...

Davidson is all you need and it credibly shows the face of Sarah Stanton on Prayer Man and not Lee Harvey Oswald...Stancak is wasting the JFK research community's time with his cartoons that try to force Oswald's image on to Prayer Man...The moderators are allowing Stancak to basically do what Cinque and Fetzer did... 

Credible research looks at all evidence objectively and actively seeks evidence that solves an issue one way or the other...The Prayer Man people deliberately ignore evidence and then use mob tactics to get biased moderators to censor those with the facts...

Davidson avoids answering why he helps promote a computer graphic showing Oswald while he himself publicly committed to Prayer Man being a woman...What sense does that make and why is the time of other researchers being wasted? 

By the way, like Stancak, Davidson has drawn invalid height lines across the portal face that do not conform to the Depository front wall and its perspective plane...Other researchers are uncredibly mute on this and don't call out Davidson and Stancak on this disqualifying violation of science...They respond with ignoring...   

Hang on, so he is the only reference point one needs to assert that PM is Sarah, but also most of what he has done is invalid? Am I missing something here?

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #150 on: May 22, 2018, 12:49:27 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #151 on: May 22, 2018, 03:36:00 PM »
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Hang on, so he is the only reference point one needs to assert that PM is Sarah, but also most of what he has done is invalid? Am I missing something here?
His enhancement of the Wiegman film contains enough resolution to determine the face is a woman...I am 100% positive if we could get relatives of Stanton to show us a photo of her it would look like the woman's face in Davidson's enhancement...

Davidson posted a graphic where the height lines comparing Prayer Man and Frazier were not drawn according to perspective...It was in an attempt to assist Andrej Stancak show via computer graphic cartoons that Prayer Man was Oswald...Davidson's enhancement is valid and does prove Prayer Man is Stanton...His efforts to aid Stancak in showing Prayer Man as Oswald are not valid...

I find it bizarre and uncredible that Davidson could publicly say Prayer Man was a woman and then aid Stancak in trying to prove Prayer Man was Oswald and no one calls him on it...That is not credible research...

Also, Stancak has fabricated a second woman in the portal in order to remove the identification of Stanton from Prayer Man...The moderators are all over someone who tries to show Prayer Man is Stanton (which he is) but don't say a word to Stancak who is inventing non-existent people in the portal and badly mis-representing key evidence features in his graphics...The woman he shows in his graphic behind Frazier does not exist...Stancak fabricated her...Stancak also places Shelley on the landing in his graphic even though the film evidence shows Shelley walking up the Elm St extension with Lovelady...These are disqualifying mistakes yet no one says a word...

Prayer Man has to be Stanton because once you remove Stancak's bogus Stanton that he fabricated the only person Frazier could be talking to when he mentioned talking to Sarah is Prayer Man...Pauline Sanders is the only other option and she's too far away and to the rear...
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #152 on: May 22, 2018, 04:02:26 PM »
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I believe I recall the possibility that CarolReed was at some point mis-identified as PeggyBurney. My conclusion is that the woman with either red hair or a red scarf, light colored blouse, and dark skirt seen with GloriaCalvery, KaranHicks, and KarenWestbrook, is CarolReed, aka RunningWoman. Admittedly a conclusion, but based on situational events as they were occurring. But, if wrong, so be it.


  Oh yeah, I think you already told me that...In any case the identity of Running Woman is irrelevant...What counts is she was standing next to Gloria Calvery in the motorcade spectators and ran after her to the steps...Since Stancak's imaginary Stanton that he places behind Frazier doesn't exist the only option for Stanton is Prayer Man whom Frazier is obviously speaking to in Couch/Darnell despite the uncredible denials of false moderators...



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« Reply #152 on: May 22, 2018, 04:02:26 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #153 on: May 22, 2018, 04:21:17 PM »
For clarification, but speaking only for myself, I do not consider anyone to be "he is the only reference point one needs to assert that PM is Sarah".

As previously stated, I am unable to embrace the PrayerPersonImage "facial enhancement" often attributed to ChrisDavidson, but I do interpret what I see of the image, unenhanced, and conclude that there is no reliable evidence indicating the PrayerPersonImage is that of a male.

I do not wish to debate said enhancement, either way. However, my conclusion that the PrayerPersonImage is that of a female, and very likely then TexasSchoolBookDepository Building employee SarahStanton is said female, relies on situational event testimony/statements made by TSBD Bldg Elm St entrance landing and stairs occupants at the time of filming from a moving camera a few seconds after the DealeyPlaza assassination of PresidentKennedy and wounding of GovernorConnally.


EDIT: For the record, an observation, early on by a then researcher/author, regarding the image facial area caused my interest to research said image. And, I place valuable reliance upon assistance from the research of others to develop my conclusion that the PrayerWomanImage most likely represents SarahJuanitaDeanStanton.
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #154 on: May 22, 2018, 05:15:34 PM »


    Davidson's enhancement will prove to show Sarah Stanton's face at the best levels of technical analysis...

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #155 on: May 22, 2018, 05:25:25 PM »
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  Oh yeah, I think you already told me that...In any case the identity of Running Woman is irrelevant...What counts is she was standing next to Gloria Calvery in the motorcade spectators and ran after her to the steps...Since Stancak's imaginary Stanton that he places behind Frazier doesn't exist the only option for Stanton is Prayer Man whom Frazier is obviously speaking to in Couch/Darnell despite the uncredible denials of false moderators...

Well, again, a conclusion. But, I do believe that KarenWestbrook, KaranHicks, CaroleReed, and GloriaCalvery were standing, as seen in the ZFilm, side by side on the Elm St sidewalk. And, said conclusion indicates that when viewing a quality ZFilm, Ms Westbrook is wearing a light blue scarf.

The group has JohnTemplin standing next to GloriaCalvery, to her right based upon my conclusion, and ErnestBrandt to JohnTemplin's right.

EDIT: Noteworthy is the fact that references to named individuals is actually in reference to PersonImages that appear to represent those named, from visual indications as well as additional situational event indications.
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« Reply #156 on: May 22, 2018, 06:24:46 PM »
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    The trouble with that is there is no woman with a light blue scarf in the grouping you cited...

Not a problem for me, Brian. But, IIRC, the "grouping" was established by statements/testimony. Using additional indications, I concluded the L to R "Image" standing order to be representative of KarenWestbrook, KaranHicks, CaroleReed, and GloriaCalvery.

That said, the Image I have interpreted to represent Ms Westbrook appears to me to be wearing a light blue scarf.

I consider the correct identification of "RunningWomanImage", however minor, to be valuable in confirming the correct situational event of the entrance portal stairs/landing as filmed.

Should provable reliable evidence be established that strongly indicates otherwise, so be it. However, my current level of understanding of said filmed images is where I am now.

But, I do have to recognize and confirm much of "my level of understanding" of the specified situational event, has been aided by the research conclusions of BrianDoyle.
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« Reply #157 on: May 22, 2018, 10:33:30 PM »
The third woman to Calvery's left in the Newsweek Zapruder image with the names of the individuals could have a light blue scarf...It's hard to tell...I think she is labeled "Jane Berry" but closer examination will show there's a second woman in that same slot...

I believe the woman you are referring to is seen in Betzner 3 and could be further examined with photo improvements..
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« Reply #157 on: May 22, 2018, 10:33:30 PM »

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« Reply #158 on: May 23, 2018, 07:01:37 PM »
Hey Brian, I recently stumbled upon a one frame per second video of the ZFilm with a clear in-motion view of the FourLadiesImage standing on the sidewalk just to JohnTemplinImage's left.
And, there appears to be a momentary head-turn to their right early own, by the first LadyImage, L to R, and later there appears to be a momentary head-turn to their right by the second LadyImage, L to R. The slight head turns indicate both ladies to appear to have dark hair.


Unfortunately the "enhanced brightness" quite likely brightens a light blue scarf to a near white color.

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« Reply #159 on: May 24, 2018, 04:57:10 PM »
To reiterate...Stancak has fabricated a second woman on the landing behind Frazier whom he is passing off as Stanton because he is desperate to avoid the obvious...This alone solves the Prayer Man issue because once you don't allow Stancak's fabricated Stanton Prayer Man is the only person whom Stanton could be...The only other option would be Tiny Woman (who is Pauline Sanders) but that can't be because Tiny Woman is too small and too far behind Frazier to be anyone who he was talking to when Calvery ran up...

The Prayer Man issue and those who stubbornly back it has destroyed the credibility of the entire assassination research community...Biased moderators impose strict scrutiny on methodology and evidence when it comes to our claims (that they still haven't answered) but they then allow Stancak to make such brazenly bogus claims without such scrutiny or demands of strict evidence...Rubbish science is praised while awful flaws in evidence are not even detected...Strategic censorship protects the favored coddled offerers of this rotten research while no credible evidence is good enough from our side...At least not any that can't be flagrantly ignored with dishonest complaints about site rules violations and the subsequent censoring banning that follows and protects the violators...The JFK research community has been destroyed by incompetent moderators who are just members of the Murphy mob who obtain a moderator avatar who do not necessarily possess the ability or intelligence to oversee the high level research material they have been put in charge of...

Stancak hasn't come back and adjusted the 3 inch too long leg mannequin calibrated by the measuring stick because he can't and he has already refuted himself...Kamp tries to ignore this because he knows he's beaten...The dishonesty of the DiEugenio-led community is epic in its lies and ignoring of this...

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« Reply #159 on: May 24, 2018, 04:57:10 PM »

 

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