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Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #100 on: May 02, 2018, 12:49:04 AM »
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Mr Pollard, I was about 245 miles away from DealeyPlaza at 12:30pm, CST on 11/22/'63, so I did not witness the event, but I remember hearing about it within minutes of the occurrence.. So, considering there is no eyewitness testimony, and several eyewitnesses were available, that places the accused LoneGunmanAssassin, LeeHarveyOswald on the TSBD Elm St entrance landing at the time, added to what I do see, along with testimony as to who was there, is the basis for my conclusion. To me, it appears as though it took about half a century for someone to decide an image of an un-identified person is LHO. The LHO as PrayerMan Theory to me defies common sense.

You sir, do not know what I have studied and what I haven't, but FYI, I spent a great deal of effort on the PrayerPerson subject, as well as the SecondFloorLunchRoomEncounter. I remain committed to my "conclusions" that the PrayerPerson image represents a female, then employed at the TSBD, as well as the SecondFloorLunchRoomEncounter as it occurred and do not believe the "HoaxTheory".


What are "most of my queries"?

Simply, the Darnell frames we have available now were not there before 2013. You can see it evolving in  the thread on EF, it went from "it couldn't be him could it?" to "it has to be him" . Not sure but I think Murphy was still "new" to the research scene, so only took him ten(if that) years? Still not sure what point you are making though, I just found something new the other day. What is your point?

You did say you never gave it much credit, " never not refuted it" that shows a clear bias does it not? I took you at your word is all.
Do you have any evidence that discounts the idea that PM could get to the lunchroom before Baker did in less than a minute?

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #100 on: May 02, 2018, 12:49:04 AM »

Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #101 on: May 02, 2018, 01:29:27 AM »
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    Disinfo???


     No one on the Education Forum notices or asks Stancak why Prayer Man's leg in his graphic where he has a foot on the step is 47% of his body length but in his Oswald comparison image with both feet flat his leg is 40% of the length of his body...
 

The mock up is not perfect but hasn't it been accepted that if PM was on the landing he would be around 5'3, well then if he was in fact on the step then around 5'9 should also be acceptable, there's no need for an accurate drawing to see that, what do you think is going to happen when he corrects the leg/torso Brian? Here's what it won't do, it will not prove that PM cannot have one foot on the landing.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #102 on: May 02, 2018, 01:54:34 AM »
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The mock up is not perfect but hasn't it been accepted that if PM was on the landing he would be around 5'3, well then if he was in fact on the step then around 5'9 should also be acceptable, there's no need for an accurate drawing to see that, what do you think is going to happen when he corrects the leg/torso Brian? Here's what it won't do, it will not prove that PM cannot have one foot on the landing.
No...That 5 foot 3 figure is something that Gilbride and Stancak determined from their analyses...I disagree and say the images make Prayer Man about 5 foot 5 or 6 inches if both feet are on the landing...I sent inquiries to the Texas Bureau Of Public Safety and even tried a famous Texan private detective to try to get records of Sarah Stanton's height and came up with a bust...I will bet my monkey's uncle that Stanton will prove to be 5 foot 5 or 6 in height...

I have already proven that Stancak has provided very accurate measuring sticks that precisely measure Prayer Man's height to be 5 foot 9 inches - the same as Oswald...You don't seem to grasp what I have proven...Since Stancak has measured a very precise 5 foot 9 for Prayer Man and publicly admitted he has added an extra 2 inches to the leg that he needs to subtract, that means he has disproven Prayer Man being on the step...It means he can't make Prayer Man's leg reach the step without adding an extra 2 inches that isn't there...You haven't adequately responded to what I have already proven...

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #103 on: May 02, 2018, 02:03:54 AM »
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 You're not answering what I wrote...I'm not sure if you aren't doing that deliberately...I didn't mention Lovelady...I was talking about Prayer Man and how the sun/shade line you showed in Murray proved Prayer Man would be lit by that same sun you see in Murray if he was on the steps with shoulders squared...

Try answering what I wrote next time...

I didn't reply to your response exactly because that Murray image does not show where PM was or the shadowline, it's not even close, I saw no point in it.

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« Reply #104 on: May 02, 2018, 02:13:26 AM »
Barry:  The Murray image shows where the shadow was in relation to Prayer Man in Wiegman which was not too long before...It is valid to use for comparison since the sun is still well in to the west portion of the steps and could not  be less that what was there during Darnell...

Your response is not valid because we can compare where Prayer Man was in Wiegman to the Murray image since we can see Prayer Man's position in Wiegman...Plus Stancak has Prayer Man on the step so we know where Stancak is suggesting Prayer Man is...If you then follow what I wrote, placing Prayer Man's body over the step like his body would do if his weight were put on the lower leg and squaring his shoulders would bring Prayer Man's left side in to the sun you see in Murray...I think you know this and are playing dumb...

I have provided enough information to prove this...

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« Reply #104 on: May 02, 2018, 02:13:26 AM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #105 on: May 02, 2018, 02:39:21 AM »
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No...That 5 foot 3 figure is something that Gilbride and Stancak determined from their analyses...I disagree and say the images make Prayer Man about 5 foot 5 or 6 inches if both feet are on the landing...I sent inquiries to the Texas Bureau Of Public Safety and even tried a famous Texan private detective to try to get records of Sarah Stanton's height and came up with a bust...I will bet my monkey's uncle that Stanton will prove to be 5 foot 5 or 6 in height...


I have already proven that Stancak has provided very accurate measuring sticks that precisely measure Prayer Man's height to be 5 foot 9 inches - the same as Oswald...You don't seem to grasp what I have proven...Since Stancak has measured a very precise 5 foot 9 for Prayer Man and publicly admitted he has added an extra 2 inches to the leg that he needs to subtract, that means he has disproven Prayer Man being on the step...It means he can't make Prayer Man's leg reach the step without adding an extra 2 inches that isn't there...You haven't adequately responded to what I have already proven...

According to Duncan on page one, five foot three is also the height John Mytton calculated. You've proven that Stanack has measured PM precisely to be 5'9 in his drawing you mean? Anyway it stacks up in reality~ 5'3 on landing is equal to around  5'9 on the step just because he cannot draw it correctly doesn't make it false, it's just a cartoon remember?
No I don't get all of it, you seem to believe he's involved in trickery, I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt since he is clearly no pro, how did you get five six?
Some of us have to cut through part of what you write Brian, not everyone is interested in what goes on elsewhere among you know who.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #106 on: May 02, 2018, 02:53:23 AM »
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Barry:  The Murray image shows where the shadow was in relation to Prayer Man in Wiegman which was not too long before...It is valid to use for comparison since the sun is still well in to the west portion of the steps and could not  be less that what was there during Darnell...

Your response is not valid because we can compare where Prayer Man was in Wiegman to the Murray image since we can see Prayer Man's position in Wiegman...Plus Stancak has Prayer Man on the step so we know where Stancak is suggesting Prayer Man is...If you then follow what I wrote, placing Prayer Man's body over the step like his body would do if his weight were put on the lower leg and squaring his shoulders would bring Prayer Man's left side in to the sun you see in Murray...I think you know this and are playing dumb...

I have provided enough information to prove this...

Why would I play dumb with you, for PM's sake?  No, not even for Devil's advocate, not worth it. I just cannot see how any part of a man in PM's filmed position would be seen in that Murray image whether on the step or landing, he would be completely hidden. You need more feedback I think, I'll leave it for other opinions.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #107 on: May 02, 2018, 05:06:14 AM »
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Simply, the Darnell frames we have available now were not there before 2013. You can see it evolving in  the thread on EF, it went from "it couldn't be him could it?" to "it has to be him" . Not sure but I think Murphy was still "new" to the research scene, so only took him ten(if that) years? Still not sure what point you are making though, I just found something new the other day. What is your point?

You did say you never gave it much credit, " never not refuted it" that shows a clear bias does it not? I took you at your word is all.
Do you have any evidence that discounts the idea that PM could get to the lunchroom before Baker did in less than a minute?
It is not a question of bias, Mr Pollard. After careful study, I reached a conclusion, and since I never concluded "agreement", therefor "never not refuted it" applies. Quite simple actually. Also, since I have reached a conclusion that there is no "PM", I see no need for any evidence about any "PM" activity.

Thanks for the conversation, but I stand by my stated conclusion, and if you wish to express disagreement, that is fine. But, admittedly, I am not sure of your conclusions about said subject matter. However, it appears as though you agree with the LeeHarveyOswald as PrayerManTheory, as well as the SecondFloorLunchRoomEncounter is a HoaxTheory. And that sir, is your privilege. But, without sufficient reliable provable evidence, I see no indication of changing my stated conclusions.
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« Reply #108 on: May 02, 2018, 04:18:52 PM »
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According to Duncan on page one, five foot three is also the height John Mytton calculated. You've proven that Stanack has measured PM precisely to be 5'9 in his drawing you mean? Anyway it stacks up in reality~ 5'3 on landing is equal to around  5'9 on the step just because he cannot draw it correctly doesn't make it false, it's just a cartoon remember?
No I don't get all of it, you seem to believe he's involved in trickery, I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt since he is clearly no pro, how did you get five six?
Some of us have to cut through part of what you write Brian, not everyone is interested in what goes on elsewhere among you know who.
Nope, you still haven't answered what I wrote...

If you look at my reply #2 on page 1 of this thread you will see Stancak's graphic of just Prayer Man and Frazier isolated in the Darnell image...As I have already instructed you, please observe the graded measuring sticks Stancak has inserted in to the graphic...I assume these are scaled metering devices gotten from the options in the computer modeling program Stancak used for the image...

If you observe the measuring stick for Prayer Man it starts at the step and goes to the top of his head...You can't fudge this like you are doing Barry and the measuring stick makes it very clear that Stancak has precisely established an exact height for Prayer Man of 5 foot 9 inches, which just so happens to be the exact height for Lee Harvey Oswald...Your answers mull around and make general statements but they never quite get around to answering the precise evidence I am showing here...That seems to be a universal condition for the Prayer Man people who seem to suddenly develop a weird type of research comprehension syndrome when you point out irrefutable debunking evidence...

So if you look at the measuring stick in my reply #2 on page 1 there is no doubt it locks in a very precise 5 foot 9 for Prayer Man...So we now consider that Stancak has admitted his leg for Prayer Man is out of scale and too long by at least 2 inches...My point remains unanswered by yourself...Where then is Stancak going to get the extra 2.5 inches in reduction he plans to do sometime in the future? Hopefully he won't take over a year to do this with Gordon's blessing like he did for this graphic...

The reason I post what is going on elsewhere is because the Murphy cult has hijacked the two main research forums...Instead of answering the credible science I am posting here they allow the offenders to violate their own site rules and the ethics of honest debate by targeting you with personal defamation instead of answering your evidence...Both the Education Forum and Deep Politics have been hijacked by the Murphy gang and posting the correct evidence on Prayer Man that proves he is too short to be Oswald will get you banned with the offenders having the last cowardly and untrue word on you after you can't defend yourself...On a site where a new rule has been established of no fighting or personal attacks the administrator of the board then comes in and violates his own directive while ignoring my refuting evidence that has been linked to his board...

I have literally pointed-out that Stancak's Prayer Man on the step has a leg that Stancak admitted was 47% of his body length...Stancak has also posted an image of his computer graphic mannequin for Prayer Man juxtaposed with Oswald with both feet flat on the ground with a leg that is 40% of his body length...Barry you seem to be very forgiving of Stancak but in the real science world this substantial discrepancy is fatal to research credibility and a rogue violation of the science Mr Stancak pretends...Stancak is obviously just pulling this stuff out of thin air and is a fraud who is just creating what he wishes to see and tweaking his images...Not a single one of the members on the Education Forum noticed this or ever bothered recognizing it or its affect on the issue even after I pointed it out...The Education Forum moderators do not mind such radical failures in accuracy...Post the correct Prayer Man evidence and they will ride your back on every stitch even when your evidence is sound...

Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...She and Frazier are standing with both feet on the landing and when directly compared in height shows that Stanton is about 5 foot 5 or 6 when measured in relation to the 6 foot 1/2 inch Frazier...
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« Reply #109 on: May 03, 2018, 06:57:12 PM »
On the Education Forum because Gordon has announced my banning the usual suspects are now assembling in the Prayer Man thread and enjoying their victory by censorship...Those who correctly challenged the Murphy Prayer Man theory are now unable to post and the playing field is now skewed in favor of Stancak and the Murphy theorists by means of filtering the opponents...

David Josephs presented an interesting graphic that shows the shadow line in Darnell and pretty much confirms my placement of the sun/shade border...Because Josephs and Stancak are in league that Oswald is Prayer Man, neither notices that Josephs' confirmation of my shadow line proves that Stancak's shadow line in his overhead graphic is off by as much as a foot...Stancak continues on presenting his overhead graphic as legitimate and accurate and the moderation that demands very strict adherence to "requirements" at the threat of banning continues to not notice this fatal flaw in Stancak's graphic that misrepresents a major component of the forensic details in Darnell...After all, people who ignore huge scientific errors that constitute disqualifying failure at a scientific level are not "argumentative" so therefore they compliment each other for their friendly tolerance...

David Josephs had detoured the topic in to one of his classic potpourri's of mixed up irrelevancies that drag the thread away from the on-point evidence...Stancak is courting him because then both of them, with the assistance of Gordon's moderation, can avoid answering how Stancak's 3 inch error over the length of Prayer Man's leg refutes his own thesis and proves Prayer Man could not have had a leg on the step...You have to remember David Josephs was over at the Deep Politics board saying he demanded precise methodology in claims...When you show him that methodology he then acts like a school boy on a school play yard moving the goal posts as the bullies decide how the softball game will be run...Low and behold after Gordon's restriction of the opposition Stancak seems to have developed amnesia over his 3 inch error on the length of Prayer Man's leg...The Prayer Man supporters all come in DiEugenio-style and compliment Stancak on his impressive work...

Stancak fails to disclose that the placement of Prayer Man forward in the landing due to the sunlight being on his hand was a forensic concept that was entirely developed by myself...Stancak is now adopting it and pushing it in the evidence without honestly crediting me for it...

Stancak continues to ignore, with the Education Forum moderation's assistance, that any computer graphic done for the Wiegman image will refute his foot on the step claim...If Stancak shows a cartoon for Prayer Man with his shoulders squared to the landing and his body centered over the step, as it would be if his weight went to the foot on the step, then his mannequin would pull in to the sunlight Stancak shows in his own graphic...He would refute himself once again...The Education Forum moderation sided with Stancak on this saying people were putting an unfair burden on him to create these difficult graphics...However, if the EF moderation were paying competent attention to what was being argued here it would realize this evidence could be seen in the current overhead graphic Stancak has shown for Darnell...Like the 3 inch too long leg, Stancak has refuted himself here once again and none of the thread-dominating pro Murphy posters even notice...
   
Over on Deep Politics David Josephs is trying to force a court room standard because he is trying to restrict the obvious nuances in the evidence that all point towards the lunch room encounter being real...David is a real cheater because he is pretending he is demanding that legal standard in order to sharpen the evidence when it is obvious that he is doing it to exclude evidence he knows is true...David is free to post here...He won't do it because he knows he'll lose hard...David is avoiding answering what a voice stress analysis test would do for Baker's testimony...DiEugenio too...What a dishonest gang of boys...
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