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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #90 on: May 01, 2018, 11:17:00 PM »
Exactly Larry...All Stancak is really doing is taking computer graphic images of people the way he would like them to look and placing them in a re-created Depository portal...But if you look at what I wrote, the legitimate scientific aspects of his models actually come in against him when properly analyzed...

Look at what Education Forum moderator Mark Knight wrote in the Prayer Man thread:   


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The results do not CONCLUSIVELY make Prayer Man Lee Harvey Oswald. But they certainly make the possibility of Prayer Man being Oswald a lot more likely.

I like your work, Andrej.


This is a prime example of the problem with the Education Forum...Its moderators are biased towards the Prayer Man issue and automatically come in in favor of Stancak's claims no matter how badly they are flawed...I have just written literally pages of scientifically valid refuting arguments of evidence that even Stancak admitted were correct...Moderator Knight ignores this proven evidence and sides with Stancak and his garbage graphics despite this... 

Apparently the level of scientific rigor that moderator Knight practices on the Education Forum does not exclude ignoring proof that Prayer Man's height is provably too short to be Oswald...Just like we never said a word...

No one on the Education Forum notices that Stancak's mannequin's head is turned 70 degrees from the direction he is facing in Wiegman but in his overhead graphic it is only turned 30 degrees...

Stancak's "science" is garbage and is based on trying to force computer graphics cartoon images of male figures over the top of images of Sarah Stanton in Darnell...
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« Reply #91 on: May 01, 2018, 11:26:53 PM »
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In reply, and still getting used to this format, LarryTrotter posted:

As I recall, some years back now, probably about 2013, I read a claim on another forum that the virtually impossible to identify image seen in shadow on the Elm St entrance landing to the Texas School Book Depository was actually accused Lone Gunman Assassin LeeHarveyOswald.

For various reasons, I failed to see any validity for said claim, especially being made some 50 years after the 11/22/'63 assassination of USP JohnFitzgeraldKennedySr, and critical wounding of TG JohnBowdenConnallyJr. It just doesn't seem possible for LHO to have been among several occupants, most, if not all who knew him, or at least recognized him, and yet after 50 years to then be "discovered" standing on the landing as the shooting occurred, and therefore could not have been a LGA.

To me, the image as viewable, appears more likely female and not male, but there is sufficient landing area occupants/eyewitnesses that testified that LHO was not on the landing at the time of filming within seconds of the shots being fired.

But, there is more evidence that the pictured/filmed image is not LHO, as DPD Motorcycle Officer MarrionLewisBaker, along with TSBD Building Superintendent RoySansomTruly testified that they encountered LHO on the 2nd floor, at the lunchroom, at about 90 seconds after the last shot. And, he was there when they reached said floor.

To claim that the image is of a male is one thing, but to promote the LeeHarveyOswald is PrayerManTheory is to me in defiance of common sense. Far too much evidence indicates otherwise.

That said, I base my conclusion about PrayerWoman on what little I see, added to known area occupants/eyewitnesses testimony regarding the steps/landing area at or about 12:30pm CST on 11/22'63. And, said conclusion indicates to me that Ms PaulineRebmanSanders and Ms SarahDeanStanton are  the two most likely candidates, with a slight edge to Ms Stanton as PrayerWoman.

That said, I have yet to place any accuracy and/or validity to any "produced picture enhancement" that I have seen so for. But I do wonder, as I wander, if any effort has and/or can be made to "enhance" the shaded entrance landing area as seen in the Tina Towner Film of the JFK Sr Motorcade as it turns onto Elm St just seconds before the shots were fired.

For clarification, I make no claim to be the first to dispute the LHO as PM Theory. And, I am confident that I am not. However, I do not recall ever not disputing said theory, and I am confident of that as well.

If you read the original thread on the EF I think most of your queries could be answered Larry, the why now and what have you. Basically the theory is not constricted by testimony, you seem to class testimony as solid evidence and thus proof for PM not being Oswald whereas modern detectives have rejected such notions, they're going in the oppositite direction, good enough to support a case in court sure but to find the truth...

Lunchroom encounter is not set in stone, both Truly and Baker are human and stories can stray from facts with just the slightest provocation.

I don't know how you see a woman in Darnell, you'd have to explain it.
From your last statement above it seems that you've never even given the PM theory any credit at all, ever, even before checking the testimony?

Do you think it's possible that BWF(the only one there of real significance) was convinced that he might have seen LHO on the steps minutes affter the shots instead of during the motorcade? You think Fritz could manage that on his own?  That's all it would take.

"To claim that the image is that of a male is one thing...", to me it's the only thing that and the fact that it looks enough like him for this to continue.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #92 on: May 01, 2018, 11:48:45 PM »
Brian,
Weigman shows PM facing the front, shoulders square, yes, then Darnell shows him angled, so his body moved obviously. But you keep saying that PM would have to have put a foot down... Why? Why can't he be on the steps already in Wiegman and put a foot up to the landing for Darnell?

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« Reply #93 on: May 01, 2018, 11:53:33 PM »
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Brian,
Weigman shows PM facing the front, shoulders square, yes, then Darnell shows him angled, so his body moved obviously. But you keep saying that PM would have to have put a foot down... Why? Why can't he be on the steps already in Wiegman and put a foot up to the landing for Darnell?

If you read what I'm writing that was already explained...If Prayer Man was on the step in Wiegman he would be illuminated by the sun plane Stancak shows in his graphics...This was already spelled-out in clear detail in my posts...

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #94 on: May 01, 2018, 11:58:26 PM »
You also said his shadow was a foot off... wth?

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #95 on: May 02, 2018, 12:00:53 AM »
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« Reply #96 on: May 02, 2018, 12:10:06 AM »
If you were following my arguments...If you take Prayer Man in Wiegman and place his body over the step like it would be when his weight shifted to the lower leg, when you square his shoulders in that position on the step like Prayer Man does in Wiegman, his left side would be illuminated by the sun you see in your Murray image...

I have yet to see anyone answer this correct argument...
   
Also, the Murray image is probably pretty closely aligned with the sun/shade line...Which means Frazier would have the west wall shadow on his right side as seen in Darnell...

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« Reply #96 on: May 02, 2018, 12:10:06 AM »

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« Reply #97 on: May 02, 2018, 12:12:00 AM »
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If you read the original thread on the EF I think most of your queries could be answered Larry, the why now and what have you. Basically the theory is not constricted by testimony, you seem to class testimony as solid evidence and thus proof for PM not being Oswald whereas modern detectives have rejected such notions, they're going in the oppositite direction, good enough to support a case in court sure but to find the truth...

Lunchroom encounter is not set in stone, both Truly and Baker are human and stories can stray from facts with just the slightest provocation.

I don't know how you see a woman in Darnell, you'd have to explain it.
From your last statement above it seems that you've never even given the PM theory any credit at all, ever, even before checking the testimony?

Do you think it's possible that BWF(the only one there of real significance) was convinced that he might have seen LHO on the steps minutes affter the shots instead of during the motorcade? You think Fritz could manage that on his own?  That's all it would take.

"To claim that the image is that of a male is one thing...", to me it's the only thing that and the fact that it looks enough like him for this to continue.
Mr Pollard, I was about 245 miles away from DealeyPlaza at 12:30pm, CST on 11/22/'63, so I did not witness the event, but I remember hearing about it within minutes of the occurrence.. So, considering there is no eyewitness testimony, and several eyewitnesses were available, that places the accused LoneGunmanAssassin, LeeHarveyOswald on the TSBD Elm St entrance landing at the time, added to what I do see, along with testimony as to who was there, is the basis for my conclusion. To me, it appears as though it took about half a century for someone to decide an image of an un-identified person is LHO. The LHO as PrayerMan Theory to me defies common sense.

You sir, do not know what I have studied and what I haven't, but FYI, I spent a great deal of effort on the PrayerPerson subject, as well as the SecondFloorLunchRoomEncounter. I remain committed to my "conclusions" that the PrayerPerson image represents a female, then employed at the TSBD, as well as the SecondFloorLunchRoomEncounter as it occurred and do not believe the "HoaxTheory".


What are "most of my queries"?
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #98 on: May 02, 2018, 12:16:43 AM »
I don't know if it's a woman or a man, but there is no good reason to think that it's Lee Harvey Oswald.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #99 on: May 02, 2018, 12:25:55 AM »
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   If you were following my arguments...If you take Prayer Man in Wiegman and place his body over the step like it would be when his weight shifted to the lower leg, when you square his shoulders in that position on the step like Prayer Man does in Wiegman, his left side would be illuminated by the sun you see in your Murray image...


     I have yet to see anyone answer this correct argument...


Sorry Brian but if that is real shadow hitting Lovelady then anyone to the west of him would be in complete shadow and I see no way around that.
If the mock up has the shadow line correct however then I could see your point but I don't see how you can have it both ways.
Trying to isolate the image with the reporter with the shadow on his back... posted the one above because you said you hadn't noticed it.

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