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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4930 on: August 23, 2019, 12:18:21 AM »
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4930 on: August 23, 2019, 12:18:21 AM »

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« Reply #4931 on: August 23, 2019, 01:51:35 AM »

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Carolyn Arnold said she went back to get a glass of water after leaving with a group of co-workers and not seeing Oswald then.

There is no fountain or sink/tap inside the lunch room. There was however a fountain in the corridor at least 10 ft away from the entrance of the lunch room. She could have never seen Oswald in there, which btw was off limits to manual workers. Besides getting a coke, they had no business in there (something even Marrion Baker said during his WC testimony, geeh I wonder how he knew that!?) Roy Lewis has confirmed this and so has Buell Frazier that without permission they were not supposed to be on the 2nd fl That floor was for mgt and office workers only.

Furthermore you would need to point out the buried FBI statement by Arnold is a fake which no one has been able to do. Then you also need to consider that the statement about her 'seeing' Oswald at that time (after leaving and going back to getting a glass of water, which no one else confirmed btw) roughly 15 years after the happening. Arnold became an issue, during the HSCA,  in the sense that she became known to the public as the person that saw Oswald in the vestibule near the entrance of the TSBD She ended up doing three interviews in quick succession and she claimed she did not look back, when Wiegman shows her turning and looking already at DalTex while the shooting is going on and the water thingy became part of her story to manoeuvre herself out of her first statement to the FBI

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But what is more concerning is that the second floor lunch room encounter never happened and was created by Fritz to ascertain Oswald's guilt as to killing Kennedy.

In the picture above Oswald is seen drinking his coke which he got for his lunch

Kamp dishonestly pretends that nothing has been developed in the Prayer Man issue since Parker & Murphy proposed it...It is important to note that the Prayer Man theory comes from Greg Parker and his evidence fantasizing and that he was a partner with Murphy in developing this bogus theory...So even though the 95% majority on the JFK internet who fell for the Prayer Man theory reject Parker and he is generally banned from those research sites for entering garbage evidence claims, when it comes to the Prayer Man theory that flips and suddenly Parker and his making-it-up-as-he-goes-along theorizing becomes unquestionable...The major fatal flaws in the Prayer Man theory that I have exposed are the product of Greg Parker...When we are dealing with this bogus evidence and false claims the direct wellhead is Greg Parker and his nutty evidence hacking...

As to the above: Kamp is back at it again ignoring everything that has been shown and re-entering the same disproven crap that originates from Parker's crazy imagination...Even though I posted an image of what appears to be some kind of metal fixture at the far right end of the counter top in the 2nd floor lunch room, Kamp ignores it and re-posts that there were no water facilities in that lunch room...The photo of the lunch room that shows that metal fixture also shows coffee making equipment and water vessels...So there was equipment on that counter that was designed to hold water...Which means that the lunch room had to have some kind of water source for those vessels...Kamp has read this because I posted it before...Being of dishonest nature Kamp prefers to ignore it and lie, offering the original version that declares there were no water facilities in that lunch room as concocted from Greg Parker's ill mind...

The JFK research community is paralyzingly dysfunctional...Because it has been fragmented in to dirty cliques who now defend their own particular agenda, none of the available living witnesses are being asked the simple question if they remember there being any water sources in the lunch room...Smarter researchers will detect that Kamp is wickedly dishonest because he refrains from asking things like this when the opportunity arises...Fagin could have asked Westbrook, but the parochial agendas come first and have corrupted any possibility of objective research...The dysfunctional research community therefore ends up not asking any of the living witnesses if they remember there being any tap in the 2nd floor lunch room...And they do it for the dirty reason of sustaining their deception...The JFK research community is so dumb and so uncredible that it allows Kamp to enter this absolute pronouncement and ignores that the only reason he's doing it is because he's trying to discredit a real witness to Oswald being in the lunch room and therefore not being on the front steps...Kamp needs to get Carolyn Arnold down because she proved Oswald wasn't Prayer Man...And the dysfunctional JFK research community allows him by means of their silence...

The next outrageous falsehood Kamp commits is he dares suggest Oswald wasn't in the lunch room, as Carolyn Arnold claimed, because workers weren't allowed in there...Again, Kamp is now reverting to Parker's original declarative BS as if nothing else had been shown since...This is quite dishonest because, since Parker & Murphy's deliberate misrepresentation in 2013, we have found 3 employee witnesses who spoke at length about Oswald eating regularly in that lunch room at the booth on the right as you walked in from the Vestibule...Kamp knows this but since he has no respect for the readers, the truth, or their intelligence, he dishonestly ignores it and re-enters Parker's false claim that was designed to remove Oswald from the lunch room in order to place him out front...In her interview with Fagin, Karen Westbrook openly described Oswald being in that booth seat on a regular basis and eating lunch there...Another employee also described Oswald acting like a loner and reading pamphlets in that same spot...The pamphlets were obviously Oswald's sheep-dipping material that he was regularly seen with elsewhere...Kamp takes us as idiots and ignores the fact that Oswald wasn't a worker...Oswald was an agent provocateur just like he was in Russia, pretending to be something he wasn't for purposes of domestic spy work...Truly knew it and that is why the restriction against workers eating in the lunch room was not enforced against Oswald...Harvey was an intellectual and was going to sit in his proper place separate from the less intelligent workers downstairs where his political reading might stand out...When some of the lady employees described Oswald coming in to get change for a Coke they were describing him doing so in order to take it back in to the 2nd floor lunch room...Kamp is too dumb to realize that Oswald told Hosty and Bookhout he went down to the 1st floor to eat because he was trying to avoid questioning over why he was allowed to eat on the 2nd floor...In fact that claim might have been inserted by Bookhout and Hosty on Truly's advice for the same reason...This is no doubt the best interpretation of this evidence to ever be shown...It gets answered with banning and rules made against ever mentioning it...And then an outright contemptuous insult of re-entering the original BS is protected and given preference...

Kamp is a real creep because, in order to desperately bend the evidence towards Oswald being Prayer Man, he takes the side of FBI and their deception and attacks Carolyn Arnold...He's doing everything in the book to discredit Arnold and try to say she was lying about seeing Oswald in the lunch room...Kamp is suggesting that Arnold really did see Oswald in the foyer and decided to make up the lie about the lunch room in order to get out of getting involved...Kamp ignores that the first FBI statement that Arnold was able to see and proofread in 1964 indicates 12:25 and not the 12:15 FBI altered her statement to...Kamp is a liar...He smears Arnold by saying she waited 15 years to mention her encounter...However he doesn't mention that 1978 was the first time she was ever shown her FBI statement and read what it said...Kamp ignores the fact Carolyn Arnold insisted that FBI altered her statement and that she told them she saw Oswald in his regular booth seat eating lunch in the 2nd floor lunch room at 12:25...Kamp attacks the witness who was there and endorses the lies of the Hoover-led FBI all for the sake of forcing the evidence towards Prayer Man...

Kamp just flat-out ignores that there were a lot of people in and around the lobby and steps at the time Arnold allegedly turned around and saw Oswald in the foyer...If Arnold saw him then it would be very likely other people would too...However there were none...Kamp proves his fundamental dishonesty by outright ignoring the fact there was a witness who did corroborate Carolyn Arnold's witnessing...However it wasn't on the front steps, it was up by the 2nd floor lunch room...That witness was Sarah Stanton who saw Oswald a few minutes before Arnold standing out on the 2nd floor staircase landing waiting for Mrs Reid and the other lady employees to leave so he could go back in to the 2nd floor lunch room...Kamp is a lying crook because he knows this but he deliberately doesn't mention it...Kamp is a dirtbag who deliberately omits evidence he knows refutes him...And the rest of the dummies over at the other forum say not a word while posing themselves as the ongoing research community...Kamp has fast lane access to that forum despite his obvious credulous dishonesty...     

We'll save space by simply stating Kamp is once again lying when he says the 2nd floor lunch room encounter didn't happen...And the only reason he's doing it is because he knows the realness of that encounter disproves his nutty Prayer Man theory...Holmes proved it happened when he quoted Oswald saying he came downstairs to see what the commotion was about...Mrs Reid saw Oswald exit with a Coke from the lunch room...Karen Westbrook proved Mrs Reid's witnessing was real because she said Mrs Reid told them of seeing Oswald exit the lunch room when they were all detained for questioning in the 2nd floor office corral...And don't forget Sarah Stanton heard Oswald say he intended to go back in to the break room when she saw him on the staircase landing...Jim DiEugenio should be ashamed of himself for helping promote this obvious bullcrap...

The image Kamp shows depicts Sarah Stanton lifting her purse to her face with her right hand glowing in sun...Kamp is a moron with no detective skills who doesn't realize no one is going to casually sip a Coke when the president is being blasted by rifle fire...

As with his essay, no one responds to Kamp because they know he's lying, and they know Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...


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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4932 on: August 23, 2019, 04:11:17 PM »
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Even though I posted an image of what appears to be some kind of metal fixture at the far right end of the counter top in the 2nd floor lunch room, Kamp ignores it and re-posts that there were no water facilities in that lunch room...The photo of the lunch room that shows that metal fixture also shows coffee making equipment and water vessels...So there was equipment on that counter that was designed to hold water...Which means that the lunch room had to have some kind of water source for those vessels...

Show us this alleged "water source".

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Kamp needs to get Carolyn Arnold down because she proved Oswald wasn't Prayer Man...

Carolyn Arnold did nothing of the kind.

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we have found 3 employee witnesses who spoke at length about Oswald eating regularly in the lunch room at the booth on the right as you walked in from the Vestibule...

Name them and provide exact quotes of this "booth on the right" claim.  This is another Doyle fabrication.

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Kamp knows this but since he has no respect for the readers, the truth, or their intelligence, he dishonestly ignores it and re-enters Parker's false claim that was designed to remove Oswald from the lunch room in order to place him out front...In her interview with Fagin, Karen Westbrook openly described Oswald being in that booth seat on a regular basis and eating lunch there...

At what timestamp?

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Another employee also described Oswald acting like a loner and reading pamphlets in that same spot...

Who, and where?

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The pamphlets were obviously Oswald's sheep-dipping material that he was regularly seen with elsewhere...

How is this obvious?

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Kamp takes us as idiots and ignores the fact that Oswald wasn't a worker...Oswald was an agent provocateur just like he was in Russia, pretending to be something he wasn't for purposes of domestic spy work...Truly knew it and that is why the restriction against workers eating in the lunch room was not enforced against Oswald...Harvey was an intellectual and was going to sit in his proper place separate from the less intelligent workers downstairs where his political reading might stand out...

This is a narrative you made up.  It's not a fact.

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When some of the lady employees described Oswald coming in to get change for a Coke they were describing him doing so in order to take it back in to the 2nd floor lunch room...

What "lady employee" ever described him doing so in order to take it back in to the 2nd floor lunch room?

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Kamp is too dumb to realize that Oswald told Hosty and Bookhout he went down to the 1st floor to eat because he was trying to avoid questioning over why he was allowed to eat in the 2nd floor...

This is another thing you just made up with no evidence.

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In fact that claim might have been inserted by Bookhout and Hosty on Truly's advice...

As is this.

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Kamp proves his fundamental dishonesty by outright ignoring the fact there was a witness who did corroborate Carolyn Arnold's witnessing...However it wasn't on the front steps, it was up by the 2nd floor lunch room...That witness was Sarah Stanton who saw Oswald a few minutes before Arnold standing out on the 2nd floor staircase landing waiting for Mrs Reid and the other lady employees to leave so he could go back in to the 2nd floor lunch room...

Bull.  This is just another thing you made up out of thin air.

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We'll save space

LOL

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Holmes proved it happened when he quoted Oswald saying he came downstairs to see what the commotion was about...

The only thing Holmes proved was his utter inability to remember what was said during the interrogations.

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Mrs Reid saw Oswald exit with a Coke from the lunch room...

False.

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Karen Westbrook proved Mrs Reid's witnessing was real because she said Mrs Reid told them of seeing Oswald exit the lunch room when they were all detained for questioning in the 2nd floor office corral...

False.

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And don't forget Sarah Stanton heard Oswald say he intended to go back in to the break room when she saw him on the staircase landing...

That's not what Rosa said.  You made it up.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4932 on: August 23, 2019, 04:11:17 PM »

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« Reply #4933 on: August 23, 2019, 04:19:00 PM »
Kamp wrote:

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Looks like Doyle is copying older posts and pastes them in a later one so rebuttals by Iacoletti are 'forgotten' about......as if that is going to work. Fabricating, lying and now cheating.
All of us and others have not forgotten the utter mess he left behind discussing the nitrates and so forth...gosh our belly muscles still ache.

Kamp is being ignored on the Education Forum for good reason...The members there know that Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton but they are grouping together under rottenly dishonest ignoring orders from their censor-er in chief in order not to admit they ganged-up against an innocent poster while backing wrong evidence...The only person to respond to Kamp's false Prayer Man claims was David Von Pein, whom Kamp makes look good because he offers such easily refuted BS...

Kamp is a crook and a liar...He puts on a big dramatic "Goodbye Brian Doyle" post but then a week later he's back to posting about me again...Kamp is pretty much the research world's equivalent to Donald Trump...

Kamp is a petty dictator who is given preferred access to the other forum while using that favored spot to avoid answering the truthful information like the metal water fixture that is visible on the far right side of the counter top in the 2nd floor lunch room...That lunch room wouldn't have visible coffee pots and other water vessels unless there was a water source...

Kamp's lies and dishonest evasions are given escort by the gate-keeper on the other forum...That is why he gets no answers now to his lying BS...


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« Reply #4934 on: August 23, 2019, 04:40:38 PM »
Kamp is a dirty lying crook and when you post the photo of a clearly-seen metal fixture at the right end of the 2nd floor lunch room counter top he ignores it...The other forum ignores it by making special rules enforcing the censoring of correct evidence and its poster...

The coffee pots seen in this image had to be filled from somewhere...

Kamp is siding with FBI and attacking assassination witness Carolyn Arnold saying she is a liar about getting a drink in the 2nd floor lunch room...When you post the image of the metal fixture that dishonest weasel Kamp ignores it:

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« Reply #4935 on: August 23, 2019, 06:06:28 PM »

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Having a kettle on the stove doesn't equate a water source in the lunch room.....there simply is no wet area!!! You get that you complete and utter deluded moron???  This is what research into the murder of JFK has come to. Cunts like you Brian Doyle trolling and posting word salad postings by the bucket load.

It's not working Bart...

It is very unlikely the employees lugged those containers to the bathroom or water fountain to fill them...

The metal fixture seen in the above image is almost certainly a small high tap that was there to supply water to the kitchen...

The same tap Carolyn Arnold went to to get her drink when she saw Oswald at 12:25 in the lunch room...

This image was obviously designed to show Oswald's sitting place when Carolyn saw him...The clock even says 12:30...

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4936 on: August 23, 2019, 06:10:00 PM »
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Kamp is a dirty lying crook and when you post the photo of a clearly-seen metal fixture at the right end of the 2nd floor lunch room counter top he ignores it...The other forum ignores it by making special rules enforcing the censoring of correct evidence and its poster...

Point out the “metal fixture” that you think is a water source.

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The coffee pots seen in this image had to be filled from somewhere...

That doesn’t mean it was somewhere in this room.

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« Reply #4936 on: August 23, 2019, 06:10:00 PM »

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« Reply #4937 on: August 23, 2019, 06:14:17 PM »
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It is very unlikely the employees lugged those containers to the bathroom or water fountain to fill them...

What’s unlikely about it? Water taps have sinks and/or drains with them.

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The metal fixture seen in the above image is almost certainly a small high tap that was there to supply water to the kitchen...

What metal fixture?

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This image was obviously designed to show Oswald's sitting place when Carolyn saw him...The clock even says 12:30...

No it wasn’t. It was designed to show the second floor lunchroom.

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« Reply #4937 on: August 23, 2019, 06:14:17 PM »

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« Reply #4938 on: August 23, 2019, 07:41:45 PM »
Kamp's website is now "doxing" personal information about my mother and is showing photos of my house on the site...

This is generally considered taboo and out of bounds on the internet...

Please notice that while I am being persecuted and removed from the JFK research community Jim DiEugenio is giving his full recommendation to Kamp and his website and Kamp is being given special access to the EF... A website that goes after a researcher's 87 year old mother...(A huge dirty double standard)...

It's criminal harassment... (Don't forget these creeps accused me of stalking Bart)...
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« Reply #4939 on: August 23, 2019, 07:56:40 PM »
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The source for water is in the corridor....between the mens and women's loos.
It is definitely working fuckwit Doyle, go wash your fucking piece of crap car.
If Arnold allegedly went back for a glass of water then it would be from that cooler or the women's...not from the kettle on the stove you liar.

Arnold never saw Oswald on her alleged trip back.

Yeah, sure Bart, that's the ticket...They took that big percolator and propped it up to the small spurt of water from the hallway water fountain...That's the ticket, yeah...Makes sense...

This obviously limited Mickey Mouse intellect Bart Kamp has been given forefront status in the community and is guarded by a gate-keeper who bans all those who oppose him...

The Einstein detective Bart Kamp says Arnold went back for a glass of water but ignores the cupboard for the glasses that is seen in that photo of the 2nd floor lunch room...Bart really isn't that bright - which explains why he is still going after the Prayer Man theory long after it has been debunked...

By the way Bart - what is that metal fixture all the way to the right of the counter top in the above image?...

I guess they dragged all that dirty equipment and coffee grinds through the hallway to clean-up elsewhere?...

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