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Offline Larry Trotter

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #450 on: June 22, 2018, 12:15:02 AM »
I truly believe that all early statements and/or affidavits were processed with caution, as well they should have been. Far too often, statements were made, and not heard correctly, and then mis-statements were repeated. For that reason, caution was needed in order to try and avoid giving incorrect testimony. And, later statements/testimony, after thorough review, were in all likelihood more accurate than first day affidavits.
Unfortunately, those that promote the absolutely unlikely LeeHarveyOswald/PrayerManTheory appear to have no desire, and less regard, for the true and accurate facts about the TSBD stairs/landing occupants as filmed at or just after the DealeyPlaza assassination of JFK Sr, and wounding of JBC Jr.

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« Reply #450 on: June 22, 2018, 12:15:02 AM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #451 on: June 22, 2018, 03:17:54 AM »
Unlike some folks, especially those that appear to be playing some stupid game while discussing the assassination of USP JohnKennedySr, and wounding of TxG JohnConnallyJr, I remember the events in Dallas, TX on 11/22/'63, as the reports began being broadcast by radio shortly after 12:30pm, CST. And, it was a real life, and in real time event, as arguably the most powerful man in the free world was murdered while under US SecretService protection, flanked by DPD MotorcycleOfficers, just seconds after passing by and turning in front of the Dallas County Sheriff's Office, and while following a pilot car occupied by the CountySheriff and CityPoliceChief.

The reports were ambiguous and confusing, as chaos was apparent. My teacher, classmates, nor myself could immediately know and understand exactly what was happening and why, as well as the ramifications unfolding. And 2 days later, just as it looked as though some settling down was occurring, LeeOswald was murdered while in police custody.

Needless to say, anxiety was rampant and not easily controlled, but mostly manageable with effort and understanding.

In any event, some early misstatements should have been expected, and reviewed later for thought confirmation. So, a real time, real life event that effects forever, and not a made for TV movie, with rehearsals and retakes for perfection.

The reliable provable evidence that PrayerPersonImage did not represent LeeOswald has been presented, and no evidence has been presented to make the LeeOswald/PrayerManTheory provable. 
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #452 on: June 22, 2018, 12:08:31 PM »
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No, all it means is "just purchased" extends to the Stanton Coke and that he had gone to the 2nd floor lunch room to buy it...All it means is "2nd floor Coke when officer came in" means Oswald had a Coke on the 2nd floor when Baker confronted him...A Coke he had the whole time and purchased before Stanton saw him...

A coke he had bought - what? - 15 minutes earlier and had spent the intervening time staring at without drinking from? (Remember, Mrs Reid said the coke bottle was full). Uncredible!

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Alan avoids the obvious, that the 1st FBI report avoided mention of the lunch room encounter exactly for the same reason Baker did...They were unsure whether or not to mention it because they knew it exonerated Oswald...

Don't be silly. They didn't mention it because it didn't exist yet. Only once the lunchroom fiction had taken shape was the interrogation report rewritten to reflect the new 'facts' of the case. Baker's "man walking away from the stairway" on the third or fourth floor became a man walking to the soda machine in the second floor lunchroom. On NO account could word be allowed to get out of LHO's purchase of a coke BEFORE the assassination because it would render nonsensical the official story. The suppression of Carolyn Arnold's story is the smoking gun here!

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« Reply #452 on: June 22, 2018, 12:08:31 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #453 on: June 22, 2018, 01:12:04 PM »
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In a white T-shirt. Baker had just seen him wearing a brown jacket.  ???

Yep, they goofed up!

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #454 on: June 22, 2018, 04:38:24 PM »
As a reminder for clarification, the LeeHarveyOswald/PrayerManTheory cannot co-exist with the SecondFloorLunchRoomEncounter that occurred at about 12:31:00/12:32:00pm CST. However, testimony exists that confirms the SFLRE at said time, and PrayerPersonImage had just been filmed standing on the Elm St FirstFloorEntranceLanding.


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« Reply #454 on: June 22, 2018, 04:38:24 PM »

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« Reply #455 on: June 22, 2018, 05:18:22 PM »
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As a reminder for clarification, the LeeHarveyOswald/PrayerManTheory cannot co-exist with the SecondFloorLunchRoomEncounter that occurred at about 12:31:00/12:32:00pm CST. However, testimony exists that confirms the SFLRE at said time, and PrayerPersonImage had just been filmed standing on the Elm St FirstFloorEntranceLanding.


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Sorry to see you're still playing catchup, Italics! We all know the testimony you reference. Unlike gullible you, however, we also know that testimony does not equal proof. The evolving story told by Baker & Truly is just that----------a story, an agreed narrative whose purpose was the elimination of LHO's alibi.

You still haven't answered my question, so I'll rewrite it in your language in hopes that this might facilitate comprehension on your side:

Do you, MrLarryTrotter, believe, as in lend credence to the claim, that MsSarahStanton, an employee of the TexasSchoolBookDepository, a concern whose salient building was located at 411ElmSt, that latter being a street in Dallas, that locality being a city of Texas, a State in the nation known as TheUnitedStatesofAmerica, saw one LeeHarveyOswald, the now deceased accused in the matter of the shooting of MrJohnFitzgeraldKennedy, USP, and the wounding of JohnConnally, Governor, at 12.30pm CST, a small number of minutes prior to said shooting at/near the recreational lunchroom on the second floor of said building holding what was identifiably a small bottle of 'coke' in his hand? For the record, and in the interests of provable research, I wish to state that by 'hand' is meant no more and no less than a 5-digit body part at the end of an arm.
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #456 on: June 22, 2018, 06:49:41 PM »
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A coke he had bought - what? - 15 minutes earlier and had spent the intervening time staring at without drinking from? (Remember, Mrs Reid said the coke bottle was full). Uncredible!

Don't be silly. They didn't mention it because it didn't exist yet. Only once the lunchroom fiction had taken shape was the interrogation report rewritten to reflect the new 'facts' of the case. Baker's "man walking away from the stairway" on the third or fourth floor became a man walking to the soda machine in the second floor lunchroom. On NO account could word be allowed to get out of LHO's purchase of a coke BEFORE the assassination because it would render nonsensical the official story. The suppression of Carolyn Arnold's story is the smoking gun here!


Alan is taking over the thread now and reducing it to the one-line gotcha come-backs that Murphy cultists deal at...Alan ignores that I have proven Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton so therefore it becomes obvious that Oswald is back in the Depository...Most likely in the 2nd floor lunch room where all the known witnessing keeps placing him...

Alan ignores that Mrs Reid saw an Oswald with a white T-shirt...When Alan has trouble with the evidence he goes on the offensive and mocks people with laughing icons...Larry Trotter wisely calls this "playing some kind of stupid game"...Unless Oswald decided to strip down his brown shirt that would mean this is the second Oswald that Roger Craig saw...And it has to be a second Oswald because he departs from the Depository at a different time and in a different direction from the bus/taxi Oswald...DiEugenio stays quiet on this evidence because personal defamation will get you around it when you operate in a biased room...If Mrs Reid's Oswald had a full Coke it is very possible that it was because it was a second Oswald with a second Coke...When sound-bite Alan gets to dealing with the confirmed second Oswald seen by Roger Craig he goes to mockery icons...Alan isn't credible...From his style Alan is simply a Prayer Man propaganda zealot who is impervious to any contrary evidence and deals with such by ignoring it and turning up the shouts and emojies...

Alan has no evidence that the 2nd floor lunch room encounter is a hoax...All he has are the contrived re-arrangements of evidence by Parker, Murphy, and Kamp in order to get around the real way the evidence is flowing...In the end it is just Alan repeatedly shouting the encounter was a hoax against ever-building evidence it wasn't...Alan ignores that Truly told his wife about it on Friday night...Alan ignores that Baker did give mention to some kind of encounter in the affidavit and that it was most likely the lunch room encounter that Baker was making more vague exactly because its realness was a threat to the official story...The lunch room story smacks of a real encounter they tried to cover-up at first but then realized they couldn't get away with...

Alan is lying again...He is injecting that Baker said Oswald was walking to the soda machine when Baker never said any such thing...That is just Alan spinning the evidence which goes to show his level of honesty and lack of respect for the readers...Alan's not going far enough...Sure, no information could be let out about Oswald buying a Coke...But even worse, no information could be revealed that showed Oswald was in the lunch room where the Coke would only prove his presence there the whole time...Yes, the suppression of Carolyn Arnold's story that had nothing to do with any Coke but had everything to do with Oswald being in the 2nd floor lunch room where Baker & Truly saw him 6 minutes later...

Alan has full posting privileges on the Deep Politics board...A board run by Lemkin and Johnson where they are very particular about Deep Political thought...A board where Greg Parker was banned exactly because of trolling-like comments similar to what Alan offers here...Lauren banned Parker but when I told Lauren that DiEugenio was posting Parker's same type of material that he got banned for in the form of the Prayer Man garbage Lauren attacked me instead of honoring a valid site-rules based complaint (site rules that Lauren didn't seem to feel obliged to even recognize or apply to his dictator-like moderation)...The same Deep Politics board where the major discovery of new Oswald witnessing didn't even get mention due to the stifling gravity of the bullies who run the place...Some deep politics there eh?

An interesting thing arises here where Baker & Truly may have encountered a second Oswald at the 3rd floor staircase landing...
 

 
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #456 on: June 22, 2018, 06:49:41 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #457 on: June 22, 2018, 07:04:21 PM »
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An interesting thing arises here where Baker & Truly may have encountered a second Oswald at the 3rd floor staircase landing... 

And there we have it! An admission from Brian that Baker's affidavit describes an encounter on a staircase landing higher than the 2nd floor. Now all Brian need do is drop the kooky Oswaldx2 garbage so that the reality can hit him...
--------------no encounter in the lunchroom!
--------------Baker changed his story!

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« Reply #457 on: June 22, 2018, 07:04:21 PM »

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #458 on: June 22, 2018, 07:06:59 PM »

Stanton sees Oswald by the stairs in front of the 2nd floor lunch room at 12:18...Oswald goes to the Domino Room where he sees Norman and Jarman...Oswald walks back up to the 2nd floor lunch room where Carolyn Arnold sees him at 12:25...Baker & Truly see Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room at 12:31:15...The long-sleeved lunch room Oswald descends the back staircase and exits the rear...He is seen by Frazier walking up Houston and crossing at Elm... Jeraldean Reid sees a second Oswald exit through the offices... Roger Craig sees the T-shirt Oswald get in the station wagon...


Over on the Education Forum the thread has been hijacked by Bart Kamp and the original topic filtered out so Bart can now host the thread while making trivial corrections on totally unrelated points (that are based on false claims that go unchallenged by the Prayer Man dominators)...The moderation sees this as "very happy with the current state of affairs on the forum"... Geesh...

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #459 on: June 22, 2018, 07:23:52 PM »
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Sorry to see you're still playing catchup, Italics! We all know the testimony you reference. Unlike gullible you, however, we also know that testimony does not equal proof. The evolving story told by Baker & Truly is just that----------a story, an agreed narrative whose purpose was the elimination of LHO's alibi.

You still haven't answered my question, so I'll rewrite it in your language in hopes that this might facilitate comprehension on your side:

Do you, MrLarryTrotter, believe, as in lend credence to the claim, that MsSarahStanton, an employee of the TexasSchoolBookDepository, a concern whose salient building was located at 411ElmSt, that latter being a street in Dallas, that locality being a city of Texas, a State in the nation known as TheUnitedStatesofAmerica, saw one LeeHarveyOswald, the now deceased accused in the matter of the shooting of MrJohnFitzgeraldKennedy, USP, and the wounding of JohnConnally, Governor, at 12.30pm CST, a small number of minutes prior to said shooting at/near the recreational lunchroom on the second floor of said building holding what was identifiably a small bottle of 'coke' in his hand? For the record, and in the interests of provable research, I wish to state that by 'hand' is meant no more and no less than a 5-digit body part at the end of an arm.
And how does your question relate to the post, that you, Ford, quoted, which referenced testimony by ML Baker and RS Truly?
Before you make "answer demands", you might review this thread to confirm you have answered questions, appropriately, that were asked of you, AlanFord.

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