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« Reply #4440 on: May 26, 2019, 04:30:27 PM »
Frazier's comment and head motion illustration appears to indicate that Sarah Stanton was standing In the shadows, and standing to his right.


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« Reply #4441 on: May 26, 2019, 05:06:49 PM »
Yeah - Thanks Duncan...

The Prayer Man people use Frazier's comment that Sarah was to his left as an excuse to ignore the clear references Frazier makes that Stanton was to his right in the Prayer Man spot...I pointed-out that the Prayer Man people are trying to say Lovelady was about to say Oswald was behind him when he was cut-off by Ball ...But if you look at all the imagery Prayer Man was not behind Lovelady...Frazier was...Lovelady later clarified this during his HSCA interview that he was about to say Frazier - and that's what the imagery shows...Prayer Man was actually to Lovelady's right at this time and, when correctly interpreted, Lovelady's Commission testimony clearly named Stanton as being to Lovelady's right at that time...Whenever I post this correct information it gets ignored by the censorship-protected Prayer Man gang that directly depends on ignoring good evidence to make its already-disproven Prayer Man BS work...

When I called Frazier recently I asked him where was Sarah Stanton on the steps?...He promptly answered "To my left"...If the Prayer Man nuts had gotten to Frazier before me and gotten this answer they would have done their usual victory dance and posts by The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger on his site declaring victory...But they are not credible researchers...They are Bush-League-ers who, like Global Warming deniers, try to cook evidence in the direction they want it to go...I responded to Frazier that yes indeed Sarah was out to his left when she first emerged on to the steps...We know this because Pauline Sanders also confirmed it...I then had a lengthy 10 minute talk with Frazier that was mostly me explaining the evidence why Sarah had shifted to Buell's right by the time of Darnell...Frazier was patient and listened...I apologized to him because I told him I might sound like a nut to someone who was unfamiliar with the evidence - but Frazier said it was OK and he had years of experience with such talk...By the end of the talk I had Frazier agreeing with me that Sarah could have shifted to the west side of the platform by Darnell...What Duncan is showing here is part of what I explained to Buell and I told him I wanted a chance to show him clips like this to familiarize him with his own identification of Sarah to his right...

As Duncan shows above, when Frazier is not forced in to his conscious memory with direct questions he clearly shows body language of remembering Sarah in the Prayer Man spot as he motions here beyond a doubt...When he says "We looked at one another" (the precise time period seen in Darnell) he motions over to his right with his head...When I confirm this beyond a doubt by connecting it to Calvery's arrival at the steps a bogus moderator censors the correct evidence and forces a bizarre collection of denial research where researchers try to get around this by speculating that Lovelady & Shelley never went up the extension or that Lovelady is on the steps in Darnell...It is by this self-deceiving means that the issue of Calvery's location on the steps and its relationship to Frazier's locating of Stanton is dubiously avoided by the Prayer Man gang that uses banning and censorship to avoid correct evidence and keep the discussion going forever...When I explained this to Frazier he agreed and said Prayer Man could be Stanton...He just has to be shown it visually so whomever has locked him out from other researchers is not helping the progress of the case...These fantasy researchers have no problem with the best and brightest being brutally censored from the other forum...It helps them prevent admitting their bogus theories...

LeDoux is over on The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger's forum saying Sarah shifted to the west side after the assassination...Rubbish...I never said that...If he was paying more truthful attention I said Lovelady clearly identified Sarah over against the west wall of the portal in Hughes before the first shot...Sarah was not to Frazier's left in Altgens...The over 100 times I explained this have been ignored every time I mention it...When I explained this to Frazier he agreed...He said he had been in to this subject long enough that there are nuts out there who will not change their minds no matter what you show them...I told Frazier that I could attest to that more than anybody and had experienced it first hand...





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« Reply #4442 on: May 26, 2019, 06:50:35 PM »
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You'll never see a serious researcher post something like this in response to clearly shown valid evidence...

The researcher who posted this in response to Duncan's video is endorsed by DiEugenio and given permanent posting privileges on the other forum...


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« Reply #4442 on: May 26, 2019, 06:50:35 PM »

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« Reply #4443 on: May 26, 2019, 07:05:42 PM »
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You'll never see a serious researcher post something like this in response to clearly shown valid evidence...

The researcher who posted this in response to Duncan's video is endorsed by DiEugenio and given permanent posting privileges on the other forum...
Tell the Larry Grayson doppleganger to " Shut that door"



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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4444 on: May 26, 2019, 09:12:29 PM »
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Frazier's comment and head motion illustration appears to indicate that Sarah Stanton was standing In the shadows, and standing to his right.


At first glance (pardon the pun), I find that rather compelling.

-- MWT  ;)

Edit: But then I watched the 50-minute youtube video, and realized that Frazier was answering a question that had come from that direction in the room.


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« Reply #4445 on: May 26, 2019, 10:19:07 PM »
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Duncan,

At first glance (pardon the pun), I find that movement of Frazier's head to his right in the clip quite compelling.

-- MWT  ;)

Edit: But then I watched the 50-minute youtube video, and realized Frazier was answering a question that had come from that direction in the room.
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« Reply #4446 on: May 26, 2019, 11:37:33 PM »
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Edit: But then I watched the 50-minute youtube video, and realized Frazier was answering a question that had come from that direction in the room.


In his 6th Floor Museum interview Frazier gestures with his right hand in a similar manner when he says "So we stood there for a few minutes"...He does a back and forth with his hand between himself and Sarah to his right...

In this video if you look sharply you can see Frazier move his eyes right when he looks towards Sarah and he's not responding to the direction the question came from...He does it when he says "The lady I was standing by"...

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« Reply #4447 on: May 27, 2019, 01:28:58 AM »
LeDoux can't show Stanton on the east side...And The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger's claimed spot is obviously false and just something he desperately fabricated because he knew he couldn't locate Stanton in any other place but the Prayer Man spot...Please show us Stanton on the east side LeDoux...Altgens is pretty clear...You should be able to find her there...
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« Reply #4448 on: May 27, 2019, 01:39:04 AM »
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In his 6th Floor Museum interview Frazier gestures with his right hand in a similar manner when he says "So we stood there fore a few minutes"...He does a back and forth with his hand between himself and Sarah to his right...

In this video if you look sharply you can see Frazier move his eyes right when he looks towards Sarah and he's not responding to the direction the question came from...He does it when he says "The lady I was standing by"...

Just talking about the 48:52-long video that the clip Duncan posted, above, came from, starting at 41:40 in the video, Frazier is looking pretty much straight down while saying, " ... and so Sarah, the lady I was standing by up on the top step back in the shadows ... [head turn up and to his right, directly towards the questioner] ... we looked at each other, and we really didn't have a lot to say ..."

-- MWT  ;)

Edit:  In the Sixth Floor Museum video you're talking about, Frazier has his right hand in the air way before he gets to the "Sarah" bit.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4449 on: May 27, 2019, 02:44:51 AM »
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I am amending the "facts" stated from one or more posters on this thread. I may be wrong myself but these are the "facts" as I understand them:

1. Billy Lovelady's  1964 FBI statements. There is nothing stated that Lovelady was "against the west wall" nor anything describing  where Sarah Stanton was standing exactly relative to Lovelady.
2. In Lovelady WC testimony, he does not locate Sarah Stanton other than with himself and Bill Shelley as a general statement.
3. The woman seen running up simultaneously to the front TSBD entrance steps, in the Darnell film, just as Baker is also approaching steps, and Roy Truly can be seen turning around, that woman is most likely Gloria Cavalry. It is uncertain if she reaches steps before Baker does, or Baker reaches steps before she does, as the camera pans away before either B or C get there.
4. The Altgens no.6 photo is taken at Z255 after 2 shots supposedly have been fired, but not yet the 3rd shot, so it is improbable imo  that Gloria Cavalry could be on the steps in that photo either. The logic being, that its not very likely that Cavalry would start running towards the TSBD at the first shot fired, since virually NO ONE recognized that as shot fired, or even that JFK was hit.

 It is unclear (imo) where exactly BW Frazier is, and where Sarah Stanton is, in the Altgens no.6 photo. If Bill Shelly is seen, but not BW Frazier, how is this possible if Bill Shelly were standing on the EAST side of the center handrail? Yet Bill Shelly seems to be in front of BWF. Frasier is in total shadow in this photo?

1) BillyLoveladyImage appears to be on the west side of the stairway center hand-rail in WiegmanFilm, DarnellFilm, and Altgens6Photo.
2) That to me indicates that if near SarahStantonImage, most likely both would be west of said hand-rail.

3) There is a separate thread that is dedicated to the Image identification of The Real Gloria Calvery. However, GloriaCalveryImage had time to reach, and appears to have reached the stairway in DarnellFilm, likely about 20 seconds after the last shot and just ahead of DPD Officer MarrionBaker.
4) There is nothing to indicate GloriaCalveryImage has left her Motorcade viewing place on the Elm St curb/sidewalk at the time of Altgens6Photo and just before the last shot. CameramanDarnell was in the 3rd CameraCar, and had just turned off Main St to Houston St when the shooting began, and with OfficerBaker along side/slightly ahead of said CC at that time.

The landing OccupantImages on the east side of the rail would likely be visible in Altgens6Photo, but mostly hidden on the west side, i.e BuellFrazierImage and SarahStantonImage.
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