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Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4440 on: May 26, 2019, 10:19:07 PM »
Duncan,

At first glance (pardon the pun), I find that movement of Frazier's head to his right in the clip quite compelling.

-- MWT  ;)

Edit: But then I watched the 50-minute youtube video, and realized Frazier was answering a question that had come from that direction in the room.
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Prayer Woman
« Reply #4441 on: May 26, 2019, 11:37:33 PM »
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Edit: But then I watched the 50-minute youtube video, and realized Frazier was answering a question that had come from that direction in the room.


In his 6th Floor Museum interview Frazier gestures with his right hand in a similar manner when he says "So we stood there for a few minutes"...He does a back and forth with his hand between himself and Sarah to his right...

In this video if you look sharply you can see Frazier move his eyes right when he looks towards Sarah and he's not responding to the direction the question came from...He does it when he says "The lady I was standing by"...

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4442 on: May 27, 2019, 01:28:58 AM »
LeDoux can't show Stanton on the east side...And The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger's claimed spot is obviously false and just something he desperately fabricated because he knew he couldn't locate Stanton in any other place but the Prayer Man spot...Please show us Stanton on the east side LeDoux...Altgens is pretty clear...You should be able to find her there...
« Last Edit: May 27, 2019, 01:34:15 AM by Brian Doyle »

Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4443 on: May 27, 2019, 01:39:04 AM »

In his 6th Floor Museum interview Frazier gestures with his right hand in a similar manner when he says "So we stood there fore a few minutes"...He does a back and forth with his hand between himself and Sarah to his right...

In this video if you look sharply you can see Frazier move his eyes right when he looks towards Sarah and he's not responding to the direction the question came from...He does it when he says "The lady I was standing by"...

Just talking about the 48:52-long video that the clip Duncan posted, above, came from, starting at 41:40 in the video, Frazier is looking pretty much straight down while saying, " ... and so Sarah, the lady I was standing by up on the top step back in the shadows ... [head turn up and to his right, directly towards the questioner] ... we looked at each other, and we really didn't have a lot to say ..."

-- MWT  ;)

Edit:  In the Sixth Floor Museum video you're talking about, Frazier has his right hand in the air way before he gets to the "Sarah" bit.

« Last Edit: May 27, 2019, 02:09:12 AM by Thomas Graves »

Offline Larry Trotter

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4444 on: May 27, 2019, 02:44:51 AM »
I am amending the "facts" stated from one or more posters on this thread. I may be wrong myself but these are the "facts" as I understand them:

1. Billy Lovelady's  1964 FBI statements. There is nothing stated that Lovelady was "against the west wall" nor anything describing  where Sarah Stanton was standing exactly relative to Lovelady.
2. In Lovelady WC testimony, he does not locate Sarah Stanton other than with himself and Bill Shelley as a general statement.
3. The woman seen running up simultaneously to the front TSBD entrance steps, in the Darnell film, just as Baker is also approaching steps, and Roy Truly can be seen turning around, that woman is most likely Gloria Cavalry. It is uncertain if she reaches steps before Baker does, or Baker reaches steps before she does, as the camera pans away before either B or C get there.
4. The Altgens no.6 photo is taken at Z255 after 2 shots supposedly have been fired, but not yet the 3rd shot, so it is improbable imo  that Gloria Cavalry could be on the steps in that photo either. The logic being, that its not very likely that Cavalry would start running towards the TSBD at the first shot fired, since virually NO ONE recognized that as shot fired, or even that JFK was hit.

 It is unclear (imo) where exactly BW Frazier is, and where Sarah Stanton is, in the Altgens no.6 photo. If Bill Shelly is seen, but not BW Frazier, how is this possible if Bill Shelly were standing on the EAST side of the center handrail? Yet Bill Shelly seems to be in front of BWF. Frasier is in total shadow in this photo?

1) BillyLoveladyImage appears to be on the west side of the stairway center hand-rail in WiegmanFilm, DarnellFilm, and Altgens6Photo.
2) That to me indicates that if near SarahStantonImage, most likely both would be west of said hand-rail.

3) There is a separate thread that is dedicated to the Image identification of The Real Gloria Calvery. However, GloriaCalveryImage had time to reach, and appears to have reached the stairway in DarnellFilm, likely about 20 seconds after the last shot and just ahead of DPD Officer MarrionBaker.
4) There is nothing to indicate GloriaCalveryImage has left her Motorcade viewing place on the Elm St curb/sidewalk at the time of Altgens6Photo and just before the last shot. CameramanDarnell was in the 3rd CameraCar, and had just turned off Main St to Houston St when the shooting began, and with OfficerBaker along side/slightly ahead of said CC at that time.

The landing OccupantImages on the east side of the rail would likely be visible in Altgens6Photo, but mostly hidden on the west side, i.e BuellFrazierImage and SarahStantonImage.
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4445 on: May 27, 2019, 08:17:19 AM »
In this video if you look sharply you can see Frazier move his eyes right when he looks towards Sarah

Frazier is addressing the whole room, not just one person.

Like myself, Brian has noticed that Frazier's eyes, as well as his head, move to the right in synchronisation with the "We looked at one another" part of his statement.

The video quality of this section is better than the quality of this gif.


Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4446 on: May 27, 2019, 11:34:36 AM »
That's it then, lock it down, it's over and as we'd want to be consistant, any talk of Lee's guilt, which Buell himself has serious doubts about, just show 'em this.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4447 on: May 27, 2019, 12:05:41 PM »
Hughes and Lovelady in harmony, take a long hard look at his position pls Brian.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4448 on: May 27, 2019, 12:06:55 PM »
Frazier is addressing the whole room, not just one person.

Like myself, Brian has noticed that Frazier's eyes, as well as his head, move to the right in synchronisation with the "We looked at one another" part of his statement.

The video quality of this section is better than the quality of this gif.



Duncan,

The man who asked the question that Frazier was addressing was sitting on the right side of the room, from Frazier's POV.

If you actually watch the part of the 48-minute and 53-second youtube video in which that man is asking that question, and how Frazier looks at him a few times in exactly the same direction while answering his question, you'll realize that Frazier doesn't "motion" with his head or eyes as you and Brian claim.

-- MWT  ;)
« Last Edit: May 27, 2019, 12:18:16 PM by Thomas Graves »

Offline Duncan MacRae

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4449 on: May 27, 2019, 12:30:55 PM »
Duncan,

The man who asked the question that Frazier was addressing was sitting on the right side of the room, from Frazier's POV.

If you actually watch the part of the 48-minute and 53-second youtube video in which that man is asking that question, and how Frazier looks at him a few times in exactly the same direction while answering his question, you'll realize that Frazier doesn't "motion" with his head or eyes as you and Brian claim.

I disagree, the body language is completely different.

Frazier makes an unconscious and extremely short but noticeable visual pause when unconsciously visually describing his head and eyes motions turns towards Sarah Stanton.

 

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