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« Reply #4200 on: April 28, 2019, 04:27:26 PM »
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OMG, really? A same-day affidavit from Officer Baker confirming the lunchroom encounter? I didn't know about this... how embarrassing!

What exactly does it say?

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I'm sorry....I'm in Error.... Baker did NOT say anything about meeting Lee Oswald in the second floor lunchroom in his affidavit for 11/22/63.  However, I believe it was Chief Curry who told reporters that one of his officers had encountered the cold blooded, arch villain Lee Harrrrrrvey Osssssswald   Booooo! Hisss! just seconds after he had murdered the President.  And he was calmly drinking a Coca Cola in the lunchroom.....when the officer saw him.

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« Reply #4201 on: April 28, 2019, 04:44:23 PM »
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Baker did NOT say anything about meeting Lee Oswald in the second floor lunchroom in his affidavit for 11/22/63.  However, I believe it was Chief Curry who told reporters that one of his officers had encountered the cold blooded, arch villain Lee Harrrrrrvey Osssssswald   Booooo! Hisss! just seconds after he had murdered the President.  And he was calmly drinking a Coca Cola in the lunchroom.....when the officer saw him.


Because Baker was under Westbrook's controlling of the evidence by that time...When Baker wrote the affidavit they were trying to avoid mention of Oswald's exonerating location in the 2nd floor lunch room...In his testimony Fritz said he was told of the lunch room encounter when he was at the Depository right after the shooting...Proof of this is Baker gave the ongoing Military Intelligence file description of Oswald that shows he was under the control of the people who gave that information...

That Coca Cola was the same one Sarah Stanton saw Oswald with minutes earlier...He didn't drink it fast because he had other things on his mind (like being in the assigned 2nd floor lunch room without any lady employees being there)...

Alan is ignoring that Holmes heard Oswald say he went downstairs to see what the commotion was about...That was after the Baker & Truly encounter and proves he was on the second floor...Oswald's interest in the commotion is the same reason he went and stood in the Vestibule door window where Baker saw him when Baker emerged on to the 2nd floor staircase landing...Oswald flinched away when he saw Baker and Baker went after him according to his cop instincts...Baker could not admit to this detail because it would show Oswald was in the 2nd floor lunch room during the shots...Which in turn shows Baker was under the control of the conspiracy when he wrote that affidavit...DiEugenio and The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger are pretending there was no conspiratorial influence on Baker at that time and that he was a clean boy scout like all the rest of the Dallas cops and would have honestly written down all he witnessed and pointed-out Oswald in front of the feds and his brass...You know...In an obvious situation where the Dallas cops were trying to nail Oswald as being Kennedy's killer The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger and Jim D are saying Baker would have gone in and given Oswald his alibi in front of all those federal guys and the DPD higher ups...Yep...

 
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4202 on: April 28, 2019, 10:44:38 PM »
If Sarah Staunton is prayer person, why didn't she mention anything about a police officer having to run almost right into her on the front step landing?

 Mr Truly, with BAker, they both have to  go past Sarah Staunton , unless Staunton goes in 1st, in the few seconds right as Baker is ascending the front steps, and Baker stopping momentarily perhaps to await Mr Truly joining him before proceeding to open the front door.

But if Staunton went in first, then should not she have remembered seeing a police officer and the boss, Roy Truly, just coming into the lobby right behind her? . How far could Sarah have traveled if she was likely heading 1st to the front passenger elevator, which would be a logical easier option for a heavy person to choose rather than having trek up 18 steps.

Since the TSBD  front entrance door swings outward counterclockwise, and since the flow of persons seen in Darnell/Couch films  is going up the LEFT hand side of the steps, it would seem logical that Baker and Truly would also go up the left side as well. They would have gone right past Sarah Staunton if she remained standing there in the corner.

Who would be less noticeable  in the corner, a large round woman with a purse held up to her mouth or head, whom was well known by fellow employees, or a recently hired 135 lb man with Dr.Pepper bottle in hand, that nobody knew very well, except for BW.Frazier?

If Oswald is prayer person, its more probable that he, being nimble and quick,  might have been able to go in first, and make it to the frront storage room by the front staircase, before Baker and Truly enter the lobby. Then Baker/Truly go past to the 2nd set of glass doors to enter the front office area, and if Oswald came out of the storage room then, its easy to see Baker being surprised by Oswald emerging from storage room.

But Oswald is also probably NOT as noticeable as a 400 lb round woman, so  Oswald unnoticedby Baker/Truly while still standing in the corner. Then if Oswald placed his Dr.Pepper bottle on a step down from that corner part of the landing, he could have entered sometime after Baker/Truly,  around 50 sec posts shots, during the time Baker/Truly are working their way thru the front office area, and the 2nd set of glass doors have been closed.

If so, Oswald could have made it to the 2nd floor lunchroom by abou 85 sec post shots, using the front staircase and outer 2nd lfoor hallway, at a pace of 5ft/sec and taking 15 seconds to ascend the 18 step front staircase.

Sarah Staunton had FBI statement taken, and had plenty of years later to have mentioned something about seeing Baker and Truly, but did not.

Oswald only had one interrogation where his statements were not recorded in detail, nor in presence of reliable source, like an attorney, court stenographer, or recording tape or film, so there is some possibility Oswald may have said something about seeing Baker and Truly ENTER the TSBD front entrance, which such statement  would have of necessity had to be omitted by Will Fritz, otherwise the whole case goes from "cinched" to "improbable".


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« Reply #4203 on: April 28, 2019, 11:09:56 PM »
That's just wishful speculation...Meanwhile we have proven that Prayer Man has a woman's face in Wiegman that is 10 seconds after Lovelady said in his 1964 FBI statement that Stanton was over against the west wall of the portal with him...The Prayer Man people cannot locate Sarah Stanton in any of the photography even though she's hard to hide...The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger's choice of a random woman down the east side of the steps cannot be Stanton because of Lovelady's identification as well as Frazier's who put her "furthest back into the shadows" with him...Prayer Man is furthest back into the shadows...Prayer Man also has Stanton's obese hips and forearm as well as Stanton's 5 foot 4 height...

I recently realized Stanton's obese left forearm is visible in Darnell...You can see its obesity in the image...

Stanton's lack of mention of Baker is irrelevant to this...

By your own argument Zeon, Baker would have to have seen Oswald right in front of him on the landing as well...Your scenario makes no sense because those employees you see going inside would have seen Oswald in the Lobby too...They would have entered the Lobby shoulder to shoulder with Oswald in the Doorway...
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4204 on: April 28, 2019, 11:25:15 PM »
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That's just wishful speculation...Meanwhile we have proven that Prayer Man has a woman's face in Wiegman that is 10 seconds after Lovelady said in his 1964 FBI statement that Stanton was over against the west wall of the portal with him...The Prayer Man people cannot locate Sarah Stanton in any of the photography even though she's hard to hide...The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger's choice of a random woman down the east side of the steps cannot be Stanton because of Lovelady's identification as well as Frazier's who put her "furthest back into the shadows" with him...Prayer Man is furthest back into the shadows...Prayer Man also has Stanton's obese hips and forearm as well as Stanton's 5 foot 4 height...

I recently realized Stanton's obese left forearm is visible in Darnell...You can see its obesity in the image...

Stanton's lack of mention of Baker is irrelevant to this...

By your own argument Zeon, Baker would have to have seen Oswald right in front of him on the landing as well...

Yes, but at the time that Baker would have seen Oswald, Oswald was an insignificant person in crowd, not actually in the way as much as a 400lb heavy round woman would have been.

 Oswald may have stated having seen Baker at the entrance, because his future possible statements wer cut short. But Sarah Staunton had YEARS to rellect yet never made statement of having seen any DPD ofiicer
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« Reply #4205 on: April 28, 2019, 11:48:53 PM »

Zeon:   Proving there is a woman's face on Prayer Man in Wiegman like we have done is conclusive proof that makes speculative arguments about what Baker would have seen on the way in moot...

Chris Davidson brought out the face of a woman on Prayer Man in Wiegman...Prayer Man is over by the west wall exactly where Lovelady described Stanton as being 10 seconds earlier in Hughes...In Wiegman 10 seconds later we see a woman's face on Prayer Man over in that same spot...

35 seconds later in Darnell Prayer Man is still in that same spot furthest back in to the shadows as he was in Wiegman...Frazier describes where he and Sarah were in Darnell...He says we were "Furthest back in to the shadows"...

We know Stanton was on the landing platform...The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger cannot find her there because he refuses to admit Prayer Man is Stanton...


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« Reply #4206 on: April 29, 2019, 04:33:34 AM »
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Stanton is proven to be Prayer Man because of Davidson's enhancement where he proved it was the image of a woman gotten from the Wiegman original with his metadata...

Davidson?s enhancement tells you nothing about who prayerperson is.

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As soon as we get the Wiegman original it will show The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger is telling a non-truth and that the exact same woman's face Davidson brought out is seen in the original showing that The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger's claim that it is a freak mirage is the silly excuse it is...

You don?t know what the Wiegman original would show. You?re just making this up.

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The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger's choice for Stanton down the east side of the steps is not Stanton and The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger and his followers refuse to answer for the evidence that proves this like Frazier saying he and Stanton were furthest back in to the shadows on the landing as well as Lovelady placing Stanton against the west wall 40 seconds earlier...

Lovelady never placed Stanton against the west wall. You just made that up.

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The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger refuses to answer for the fact Prayer Man is not behind Lovelady in Altgens...

Prayerperson isn?t in Altgens..

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Frazier is behind and Prayer Man is to Lovelady's right...The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger is falsely saying Lovelady was about to name Oswald as the person standing behind him in his Commission testimony and that Oswald was Prayer Man...The only problem with that is Frazier is standing behind Lovelady...Meanwhile Lovelady has already named Stanton as being the person to his right in Altgens...

Lovelady never named Stanton as being the person to his right. You just made that up.

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We have proven beyond a doubt that Stanton is Prayer Man...

No you haven?t. There is plenty of doubt.

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When I pointed this out to Stancak at Moricet's forum he protested that too many people were attacking his evidence and he was going to retreat back to the other forum...

No he didn?t. You just made that up.

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There are some highly untruthful people involved in the pro-Prayer Man camp...

Says the guy with 400 falsehoods on this forum alone.
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« Reply #4207 on: April 29, 2019, 04:45:22 AM »
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In his Commission testimony Fritz did say he was fairly certain Oswald told him he was in the 2nd floor lunch room during the shots...

At which point, he was asked to check his report and corrected himself to first floor. You keep dishonestly leaving that part out.

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Alan doesn't admit that Sarah Stanton seeing Oswald with a Coke at around 12:17 makes it very unlikely he traveled from there to the 1st floor and then came back up to get a 2nd Coke...

Nobody ever said that Stanton saw Oswald with a Coke at around 12:17. You just made that up.

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Alan gives no heed to the fact Oswald was obviously waiting for Mrs Reid and the lunch room ladies to clear out and he then went in to the 2nd floor lunch room after they had all left...

There?s no evidence that Oswald waited for Mrs Reid and the lunch room ladies to clear out and then went in after they all left. You just made that up.

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Carolyn Arnold was the wild card he hadn't expected and caught him in there at 12:25...And that's where he was during the shots and after when Baker & Truly encountered him...

There?s no evidence that Oswald was in there when the shots were fired.

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Stanton is on record as taking the elevator back upstairs when she came back inside...

On record where?

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Which almost certainly means she took it on her way out to see the motorcade...

It doesn?t certainly mean that at all.

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« Reply #4207 on: April 29, 2019, 04:45:22 AM »

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« Reply #4208 on: April 29, 2019, 04:49:21 AM »
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Hine was gotten to because she was an inconvenient witness to Oswald coming from the 2nd floor lunch room...

Nobody said they saw Oswald coming from the 2nd floor lunch room. You just made that up.

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« Reply #4209 on: April 29, 2019, 05:11:12 AM »
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Davidson?s enhancement tells you nothing about who prayerperson is.


That is simply false...Davidson proved it was a woman and two witnesses, Lovelady and Frazier, placed Sarah Stanton over by that spot at the time...

Since we know Pauline Sanders is over by the east side of the door, and we know Sanders and Stanton are the only two women on the landing that proves Prayer Man is Stanton...

It is an attempt to use word tricks to say Davidson's face of a woman tells you nothing...Since it shows a woman that tells you it isn't Oswald...And since both Frazier and Lovelady placed Stanton over in that spot at the time that tells you the woman is Stanton...

Iacoletti is unable to find Stanton in the photography other than Prayer Man...


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