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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4160 on: April 23, 2019, 11:27:07 AM »


I was refering to Will Fritz notes. Yes I read the Hosty/Hasty note as written, but it does not preclude that Oswald could have been in the Domino room at 12:25, saw Norman, Jarman come in the back door, hearing a few words like "Its almost here, lets hurry up or we might miss it", and then Oswald took his coke he had already earlier gotten from the 2nd floor lunchroom around 12:15, when he was seen by Carolyn Arnold, and Oswald then went acrros the 1st floor, not seen by Piper or Troy West, because they had moved to watch out one of the front windows, and exited out the front door at about 12:28 just behind BW.Frazier.

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The Hosty note couldn't be clearer
--------------bought coke in 2nd fl lunchroom before motorcade
--------------went down to 1st fl for lunch
--------------"Then went outside to watch P. parade"

I think you may be on to something when you link the timing of Mr Oswald's move to the front door with Messrs Norman & Jarman's entry into the building shortly before the motorcade!

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The Front door has hinge on the leftside as seen from inside, so the door swing counter clockwise, therefore making it possilbe that someone could have exited by opening the door just a mere 1.5 ft and slip out without anyone in front of that door, noticing such exit. Then the immediate right hand corner, where Prayer person is standing, is the logical place to have gone.

Spot on!

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I say this just in case there is something more found in the future to explain the 5'3" height of prayerperson, such as stool from the storage room or some other item and thus will be some logical construction for how Oswald eventually went from 2nd floor at 12:15, to Domino rooom at 12:25, and then to the outisde where prayerpersoon is, without being noticed by anyone seeing him.

No need to explain Prayer Man's alleged short stature
------------------he's one step down from the landing!

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Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4161 on: April 25, 2019, 08:53:32 AM »
All work and no play...
Just keep telling yourself everything's okay.

Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4162 on: April 25, 2019, 04:56:20 PM »
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The Hosty note couldn't be clearer
--------------bought coke in 2nd fl lunchroom before motorcade
--------------went down to 1st fl for lunch
--------------"Then went outside to watch P. parade"

I think you may be on to something when you link the timing of Mr Oswald's move to the front door with Messrs Norman & Jarman's entry into the building shortly before the motorcade!

Spot on!

No need to explain Prayer Man's alleged short stature
------------------he's one step down from the landing!

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Alan, I think many of us are not quite convinced of prayerperson having stood one step down. Not ruiling it out entirely for my part, because of the Dr.Pepper bottle that was found coincidentally on that side of the steps and right about near where one who was prayerperson could have placed such.

And the Dr.Pepper bottle of 63 has that large WHITE oval shaped logo on the bottle, and if prayerperson is holding such bottle near the top, than that white logo could be a possible reason for the white splotch near the mouth as the hand is raised.

Of course, it would take some experiment with someone with a 63 Dr.Pepper bottle to stand at that location and be filmed with the exact same type camera being used by Darnell and Couch, in the month of Nov 22nd at about 12:31-12:34,  to have any way of providing any proof or probability my speculation is correct.
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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4163 on: April 25, 2019, 06:33:33 PM »

Alan, I think many of us are not quite convinced of prayerperson having stood one step down. Not ruiling it out entirely for my part, because of the Dr.Pepper bottle that was found coincidentally on that side of the steps and right about near where one who was prayerperson could have placed such.

And the Dr.Pepper bottle of 63 has that large WHITE oval shaped logo on the bottle, and if prayerperson is holding such bottle near the top, than that white logo could be a possible reason for the white splotch near the mouth as the hand is raised.

Of course, it would take some experiment with someone with a 63 Dr.Pepper bottle to stand at that location and be filmed with the exact same type camera being used by Darnell and Couch, in the month of Nov 22nd at about 12:31-12:34,  to have any way of providing any proof or probability my speculation is correct.

Zeon, Have you ever seen any adult hold a soda bottle by the neck while drinking from the bottle?

Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4164 on: April 25, 2019, 07:14:48 PM »
Zeon, Have you ever seen any adult hold a soda bottle by the neck while drinking from the bottle?

Why would he have to have been holding the neck, Walt?

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4165 on: April 25, 2019, 08:04:33 PM »
Why would he have to have been holding the neck, Walt?

I can't imagine how the Dr pepper Logo would have been visible if the Person ( woman) was drinking from a Dr pepper bottle at the time....An idea that doesn't make a lot of sense....The person was there to view the parade .....so it's highly unlikely that she was drinking a soda ....

Offline Anthony Clayden

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4166 on: April 25, 2019, 10:29:27 PM »
Zeon, Have you ever seen any adult hold a soda bottle by the neck while drinking from the bottle?

Yes I often have (not to say I think it is bottle of soft drink)

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4167 on: April 26, 2019, 12:27:17 AM »

Alan, I think many of us are not quite convinced of prayerperson having stood one step down. Not ruiling it out entirely for my part, because of the Dr.Pepper bottle that was found coincidentally on that side of the steps and right about near where one who was prayerperson could have placed such.

And the Dr.Pepper bottle of 63 has that large WHITE oval shaped logo on the bottle, and if prayerperson is holding such bottle near the top, than that white logo could be a possible reason for the white splotch near the mouth as the hand is raised.

Of course, it would take some experiment with someone with a 63 Dr.Pepper bottle to stand at that location and be filmed with the exact same type camera being used by Darnell and Couch, in the month of Nov 22nd at about 12:31-12:34,  to have any way of providing any proof or probability my speculation is correct.


Couldn't that bottle of pop have been Billy Lovelady's?

Wasn't he alleged to have been sitting on the steps, eating his lunch?

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Joseph Ball: You ate your lunch on the steps?

Billy Lovelady: Yes, sir.

Joseph Ball: Who was with you?

Billy Lovelady: Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton....

Joseph Ball: Were you there when the President's motorcade went by?

Billy Lovelady: Right.

Joseph Ball: Did you hear anything?

Billy Lovelady: Yes, sir: sure did.

Joseph Ball: What did you hear?

Billy Lovelady: I thought it was firecrackers or somebody celebrating the arrival of the President. It didn't occur to me at first what had happened until this Gloria came running up to us and told us the President had been shot.

Joseph Ball: Who was this girl?

Billy Lovelady: Gloria Calvary...


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Harold Norman, on who else was out front when he and "Junior" Jarman went outside: "Well, I believe Billy Lovelady, I think. He was sitting on the steps there."

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-- MWT   ;)
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4168 on: April 26, 2019, 12:44:04 AM »
Yes I often have (not to say I think it is bottle of soft drink)

Yes, I've seen wino's laying down holding their bottle by the neck.... But This woman was standing....

Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4169 on: April 26, 2019, 02:58:26 AM »
Yes, I've seen wino's laying down holding their bottle by the neck.... But This woman was standing....

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