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Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #392 on: July 01, 2018, 09:03:02 PM »
I'm pretty sure the man in black in Couch is not Bill Shelley but Danny Arce!


There's one frame where he almost stops and we see his profile "clearly" and I agree it looks a lot like Arce. does the hairstyle match though?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #393 on: July 01, 2018, 09:10:26 PM »
Like many conspiracy theories in this case or many observations in the evidence it's important to test them, especially for those who, if found out to be true, will change everything they have come to believe about the case.
In this case the theory is "Prayer Man is Oswald" and dispite all the effort no one can prove it's not but we remain optimistic.

There are however grounds for pessimism(!), and they have gotten even stronger since that photo of Sarah Stanton went up:
------------we have very good knowledge of which TSBD employees were up on those steps at the time of the assassination
------------we have very good knowledge of where on the steps each of these employees was
------------we have very good knowledge of the assassination-time location of all other TSBD employees
------------this offers an all too finite list of candidates for non-LHO Prayer Man
------------one by one the candidates on that list have been crossed off (who's left? Dottie Lovelady??)
------------we seem therefore, by a process of simple elimination, to be stuck with the one TSBD employee whose assassination-time location no one can securely account for...

Have to say, Barry, I find it pretty impressive that, after five years of sometimes fanatical efforts to find a viable non-LHO candidate or to disprove LHO=PrayerMan, the theory is still very much alive and kicking. That may be telling us something.

But-----------let's be good Popperians about this and cry 'May the efforts to falsify the theory continue!' After all, those efforts have stood us* pro-PMers in pretty good stead thus far!


*NOT including you in this, Barry, don't worry!

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #394 on: July 01, 2018, 09:13:59 PM »
IMHO either it's pulled behind his back in Darnell perhaps because he doing something different with his hands, invisible to us or hidden by his right arm because they are now folded.

Yes, all possible! We cannot ignore the change from Wiegman to Darnell.

Could it be that he is leaning over somewhat in Wiegman? As he eats?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #395 on: July 01, 2018, 09:18:52 PM »
^Actually Alan rather than folded exactly, I think the right hand could be scratching his left forearm, that scene works better for me atm.

Ah, interesting!  Thumb1:

Any suggestions as to what the (possibly) misrecognised 'left forearm' could be?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #396 on: July 01, 2018, 09:19:34 PM »
There's one frame where he almost stops and we see his profile "clearly" and I agree it looks a lot like Arce. does the hairstyle match though?

Very much so IMO!

« Last Edit: July 01, 2018, 10:49:51 PM by Alan Ford »

Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #397 on: July 01, 2018, 09:22:26 PM »
Looking at the general shape of the person.. the shading of the shirt/or top etc
Could this individual.......




Be this same individual at the bottom right with their back to the camera?
The shirt sleeves in the doorway could be somewhat rolled up....?

 

 
A little liberty in reproducing here.....



Yes it might be, might be anyone, although your guy looks just a little too bulky from the rear, don't think it would convince many for that reason alone, although some think PM "too bulky to be Oswald", could be just what PM is wearing giving them that impression IDK.
As for your second image that's what our main "forensic analyst" here thought was a real image of LHO and a case closer.

Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #398 on: July 01, 2018, 09:37:27 PM »
Well said Alan, of course that "remaining optimistic" comment goes both ways for me.
Always had trouble seeing PM on the step rather than the landing but not anymore, that's a big one, even for those very familar with the visuals, just pulling him away from the glass takes time, I just read another one who had him at the front of the landing for ages, again push him back there... I don't get it.
I also think what you pointed out to James about PM's relationship to the wall should be dealt with, hopefully he will recognise it and make that change.