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Online Thomas Graves

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2610 on: February 12, 2019, 05:02:44 PM »
Alan is lying...Fritz's notes and Bookhout's report both repeat the same timeline of Oswald's statement starting at the 2nd floor lunch room encounter...All three then have Oswald going to the 1st floor and all 3 have Oswald going outside after going to the 1st floor...

Larry Grayson doppleganger Bart " Ooooh...Shut That Door" Kamp is trying to pull a fast one by not informing the reader that all 3 men are witnessing the exact same event...So since two of them record Oswald beginning his description at the 2nd floor lunch room encounter then that is 2 to 1...But it really isn't true that Hosty isn't describing the same thing...Hosty is obviously also describing the same lunch room encounter starting point for Oswald locating himself when he opens with "He went to 2nd floor to get Coca Cola to eat with lunch", since it includes the exact same 2nd floor and Coke of both Fritz's and Bookhout's description...Hosty is stripping this part of any time reference because he knows it shows Oswald being in the 2nd floor lunch room too close to the shots...This is clearly the smarter more accurately detailed interpretation of Hosty's notes...Larry Grayson doppleganger Bart " Ooooh...Shut That Door" Kamp sticks to the grossly over-simplified dumber version because he knows the more intelligent version shows the opposite of what he's trying to bamboozle you with...Alan also stays away from this and never answers it because he knows it exposes his lies...

Larry Grayson doppleganger Bart " Ooooh...Shut That Door" Kamp is trying to deceive his readers by omitting important details in order to make them think Hosty's saying Oswald was outside watching the presidential parade was during the period Prayer Man was seen in the portal...It's not...Any truthful analysis of Hosty's notes will show they start at the exact same time period of the 2nd floor lunch room encounter and that is 70 to 90 seconds after the shots...All 3 reports mention Oswald spent time on the 1st floor after this, which adds another minute or more...What Larry Grayson doppleganger Bart " Ooooh...Shut That Door" Kamp is hoping you don't notice is that any faithful interpretation of Hosty's notes will show Oswald could not possibly have gone outside until at least 3 minutes after the shots and that makes it impossible for Hosty's notes to be any valid evidence of Oswald being Prayer Man...What Oswald was describing (and don't think Larry Grayson doppleganger Bart " Ooooh...Shut That Door" Kamp isn't aware of this) is his departing the Depository, which any responsible researcher knows happened out the back exit...If Oswald did say he went out front with Shelley he was lying in order to cover-up the fact he went out the back with Shelley's assistance...Something he couldn't reveal without giving the Depository game away...

Brian,

Why don't you tone it down a bit, and instead of accusing people of lying, just say they're wrong?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

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« Reply #2611 on: February 12, 2019, 05:16:18 PM »
Mr Stancak's effort was a fine one, but it wrongly assumed only one possible posture!

Speaking of 'highly creative attempts', how are your and Mr Doyle's 3D model of white-haired, obese, to-Mr-Frazier's-left Ms Stanton coming along? 

Wowie Zowie Bowie! :D

Alan shows an almost idiotic lack of understanding of the basic evidence and arguments here...Stancak admitted in public on the Education Forum that Oswald had to have a foot on the step in Darnell because otherwise Prayer Man was too short to be Oswald...He has been given two years to produce his fantasy cartoon graphics to prove this and failed on both attempts...Because there is a huge double standard in evidence allowed for the Prayer Man people Prayer Man advocates don't publicly admit that the only reason Stancak is creating cartoon graphic representations of the Prayer Man scene is because he can then manipulate the images to make them show what he wants...This is proven by the fact any comparison of Stancak's fantasy cartoons will show visible departures from the original photographic images...

In his latest offering Stancak tried to make up for his 3 inch too long leg that he forged in order to make his Oswald mannequin reach the step...I was the only one to notice that Stancak had cheated and stretched Oswald's right leg by 3 inches to make it reach the step...In the normal science world that is game over for Stancak at that point because credible scientific peer review would know that by failing to make Oswald's leg reach the step Stancak had refuted himself...He couldn't make accurately-dimensioned representations of Oswald reach the step so therefore that proves our case...

Stancak then tried again...This time he made his cartoon a direct Oswald-looking cartoon who looked like Oswald...Stancak compensated for his too long right leg by bending Oswald's left leg into a ridiculously awkard stance that no one would ever stand in - but it made the leg reach the step...If you can't make a square peg go in a round hole then just force it more I guess...However once again, I was the only one to notice that Stancak's bent leg obscured the radiator in the lobby by bending in front of it and blocking its view...One look at the Darnell frame and we can see the full unblocked radiator - which means Oswald's left leg is not bent in front of it - which in turns means Prayer Man is not standing with a leg on the step - which in turn means Prayer Man can't be Oswald (by Stancak's own admission)...I was also the only one to notice that Stancak's bent leg requires it to be illuminated by the sun as Stancak shows in his graphic...One look at the original Darnell frame shows Oswald's left leg in total shade - which again proves it isn't bent...Tell this to the Prayer Man people and they ignore it...

Meanwhile my photo forensic evidence of Sarah's obese features, wide women's hips, dress, buttons, purse, and exact same height as Stanton all go ignored by the Prayer Man hoaxers...
« Last Edit: February 12, 2019, 05:21:56 PM by Brian Doyle »

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« Reply #2611 on: February 12, 2019, 05:16:18 PM »


Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2612 on: February 12, 2019, 07:17:25 PM »
Alan is lying..

Alan isn't lying. He's just a nutcase like you, who believes the idiotic things that he says. He's a zealot, through and through.

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« Reply #2613 on: February 12, 2019, 07:43:16 PM »
Alan isn't lying. He's just a nutcase like you, who believes the idiotic things that he says. He's a zealot, through and through.

A wise man sees the difference between someone who is making no attempt to honesty seek the facts, whose line of reasoning evades those facts as a practice, and someone who is making an honest mistake...Alan won't even answer a simple question like why did Hosty omit Shelley from his notes?

Tim never once addressed any of the provable evidence in my posts...

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2614 on: February 12, 2019, 07:48:43 PM »
Kelley, like Fritz and Bookhout and Hosty, lied.

Ms Arnold told FBI about seeing Mr Oswald in 2nd floor lunchroom before assassination. They changed her story without telling her.
 
Ms Stanton's sighting of Mr Oswald came to light last year: she didn't want trouble, so said nothing at the time.

Ok, here is the list as it currently stands:

Liars ,and and even perjurers , according to Alan Ford

1.  Marion Baker
2.  Roy Truly
3.  Jeraldean Reid (AKA Mrs. Robert Reid)
4.  Will Fritz
5.  James Bookhout
6.  James Hosty
7.  Thomas Kelley
8.  Sarah Stanton
9.  Richard E. Harrison (The FBI agent who interviewed Carolyn Arnold on 11/26/63

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« Reply #2615 on: February 12, 2019, 07:54:33 PM »
Ok, here is the list as it currently stands:

Liars ,and and even perjurers , according to Alan Ford

1.  Marion Baker
2.  Roy Truly
3.  Jeraldean Reid (AKA Mrs. Robert Reid)
4.  Will Fritz
5.  James Bookhout
6.  James Hosty
7.  Thomas Kelley
8.  Sarah Stanton
9.  Richard E. Harrison (The FBI agent who interviewed Carolyn Arnold on 11/26/63

Where did Sarah Stanton lie?

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« Reply #2615 on: February 12, 2019, 07:54:33 PM »


Online Brian Doyle

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« Reply #2616 on: February 12, 2019, 08:00:23 PM »
Kelley asked Oswald directly if he had watched the presidential parade during the Fritz interview of 11-23 at 10:30PM...

Oswald volunteered (without anyone altering his statement to fabricate a 2nd floor lunch room hoax) that no he had not watched the presidential parade...

Richard Gilbride has done an analysis on Marvin Johnson's report and determined that Baker told Johnson twice that Oswald was the man he saw walking away from him on the stairs during the time of his affidavit...This was totally ignored by the Prayer Man people...



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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2617 on: February 12, 2019, 08:01:21 PM »
Where did Sarah Stanton lie?

According to Alan Ford and Brian Doyle, Sarah Stanton not only lied , she did so in a sworn affidavit.

"I did not see Lee Harvey Oswald at that time or at any time during that day." -- From the signed sworn affidavit of Sarah Stanton, March 18,1964

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« Reply #2617 on: February 12, 2019, 08:01:21 PM »


Online Brian Doyle

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« Reply #2618 on: February 12, 2019, 08:07:03 PM »
According to Alan Ford and Brian Doyle, Sarah Stanton not only lied , she did so in a sworn affidavit.

"I did not see Lee Harvey Oswald at that time or at any time during that day." -- From the signed sworn affidavit of Sarah Stanton, March 18,1964

Tim is dishonestly avoiding that since FBI was caught altering Carolyn Arnold's statement it is therefore more likely they altered Sarah Stanton's statement similarly...Common sense tells you they did that to avoid recognizing Oswald's true location in the lunch room...Now, thanks to these Prayer Man crazies, the important context of Hosty now being caught altering Oswald being in the lunch room by dropping Baker from his notes is being missed...Credible analysts will realize Hosty represents a 3rd member of the authorities who altered the dangerous information of Oswald being in the lunch room...

I asked Sarah's grand daughter Wanda if Sarah was the type to make up a nutty hoax that might get her in trouble with the feds and she said absolutely not...

Tim name-calls but avoids answering my chronology analysis of Fritz's interview in comparison to Fritz, Bookhout, and Hosty...

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2619 on: February 12, 2019, 08:27:32 PM »

I asked Sarah's grand daughter Wanda if Sarah was the type to make up a nutty hoax that might get her in trouble with the feds and she said absolutely not...

Did you ask Sarah's granddaughter if her grandmother was the type to have lied in a signed sworn statement?

 

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