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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2580 on: February 12, 2019, 08:57:20 PM »
You're dishonestly avoiding what Sarah insisted upon to her relatives and repeated identically every time she told it...

You are ignoring that Sarah got the detail of the Coke right...

That is absolutely false Tim...Carolyn Arnold insisted it was Oswald sitting alone like he always did...

Why should I believe that Sarah ever even once insisted to her relatives anything contrary to what she said in her sworn affidavit? Why should anyone believe it?

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2581 on: February 12, 2019, 09:00:40 PM »

That is absolutely false Tim...Carolyn Arnold insisted it was Oswald sitting alone like he always did...

That's how she remembered it 15 years later. How come none of the statements of her coworkers who were with her at the time corroborate her story?
« Last Edit: February 12, 2019, 09:01:08 PM by Tim Nickerson »

Online Brian Doyle

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« Reply #2582 on: February 12, 2019, 09:55:07 PM »
That's how she remembered it 15 years later. How come none of the statements of her coworkers who were with her at the time corroborate her story?

Because she went into the lunch room alone because she was the only one who needed a drink...

Oswald being in there meant nothing at that moment...

FBI was covering-up and altering statements...

We know FBI radically covered-up something real because they changed her witnessing to the lobby...If Oswald really was in the lobby why no other witnessings of him there?
« Last Edit: February 12, 2019, 10:03:20 PM by Brian Doyle »

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« Reply #2583 on: February 12, 2019, 09:58:06 PM »
It is funny, although I am the research community's authority on Prayer Man I don't get any mention from either the Lone Nutters or CT-er's on the Education Forum...

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2584 on: February 12, 2019, 10:43:49 PM »
Dear Alan,

So, you admit that Stancak's modeling was unsuccessful.

Good!

Now, what other postures for 5' 9.5" Oswald do you propose that might "work" better in Stancak's desperate modeling attempt to prove Oswald innocent?

Slouching against the wall in order to reduce his height by five or six inches?

Kneeling?

(LOL)

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Mr Stancak got an awful lot right, and-----------unlike the rather hysterical anti-PrayerMan goons-----------has contributed materially to our understanding of what's in that doorway! Thumb1:

Mr Oswald/Prayer Man: one step down (look at the distance between his left elbow and the front column!). He may be pivoted south-east, have his left knee bent back, allowing his left foot to rest on the landing behind him. Alternatively, he may simply be facing forward with his arms folded. (I am talking about Darnell here, not Wiegman NNB!)

What he is not is an obese woman with white hair wearing a male-pattern-receding wig whilst simultaneously standing by the west wall and standing to Mr Frazier's left!

Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #2585 on: February 12, 2019, 10:55:48 PM »
Ok, here is the list as it currently stands:

Liars ,and and even perjurers , according to Alan Ford

1.  Marion Baker
2.  Roy Truly
3.  Jeraldean Reid (AKA Mrs. Robert Reid)
4.  Will Fritz
5.  James Bookhout
6.  James Hosty
7.  Thomas Kelley
8.  Sarah Stanton
9.  Richard E. Harrison (The FBI agent who interviewed Carolyn Arnold on 11/26/63

Mr Nickerson thinks a cover-up is unthinkable, just unthinkable. That's because Mr Nickerson is a very gullible person.

Incidentally, it was Carolyn Johnson (nee Arnold) who accused the FBI of lying about what she told them. I believe her. And I believe Sarah Stanton.

I also believe that Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz that he 'went outside to watch P. Parade', and that Captain Fritz and co. kept this extremely important fact from the public record for a very good reason, to wit: Mr Oswald's claim was true.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2019, 11:04:14 PM by Alan Ford »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2586 on: February 12, 2019, 11:02:15 PM »
According to Alan Ford and Brian Doyle, Sarah Stanton not only lied , she did so in a sworn affidavit.

"I did not see Lee Harvey Oswald at that time or at any time during that day." -- From the signed sworn affidavit of Sarah Stanton, March 18,1964

As explained by her daughter-in-law and granddaughter, she didn't want to get drawn into the 'investigation'. Can't say I blame her.

How did Ms Arnold and Ms Stanton manage to make a claim that chimes perfectly with something that Mr Oswald claimed in custody------without anyone in the outside world knowing (until a few days ago) that he had made such a claim?

Remarkable fluke!

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« Reply #2587 on: February 13, 2019, 12:00:24 AM »
Jessica, you may want to go back to the very beginning of this thread.  The "evidence" Doyle uses is an extreme blow up of the film of the man known as Prayer Man standing in the vestibule. It's such an extreme blow up that the entire shape is nothing but a bunch of blobs and pixels. He also claims this "proves" that it's not Oswald. He then goes on (and on and on) that these same blobs are an obese woman.

I mean...seriously? The key to this thread is a handwritten note found by another researcher of an FBI agent who independently took notes of the LHO interrogation. They match with the police captain's notes and both say that Oswald himself said he was out front watching the parade. Unless these two people got into a room and compared notes (highly unlikely) this is pretty good corroborating evidence that what Oswald said he was doing at the time of the murder is the truth.

Is it Oswald up in the vestibule? It certainly does look like him but we'll never really know unless we find some kind of high-res negative of that film that can be blown up to show if it's him or not.  I highly doubt that since the film was probably shot in 16mm (or maybe 8mm) and the detail of that film format is not great.

Even if Doyle was the nicest person in the world, there's nothing for him to present that will convince anyone that the man in the doorway is Oswald. We're pretty much left with his bloviating here and the way I look at it, Doyle has no interest in anything that furthers the JFK murder case. In some crazy way, he probably lives for the attention he receives here in this forum.

« Last Edit: February 13, 2019, 12:02:43 AM by Michael Walton »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2588 on: February 13, 2019, 12:19:37 AM »
Friends! The reason the anti-PrayerMan zealots are so upset is very simple. The revelation a few days ago of this note written by James Hosty-----------



-----------has cruelly deprived them of their very last line of defence.

The matter now comes down to the following:

The person standing by the west wall of a Depository entranceway that is full of Depository employees-----------



-----------is either

A) a Depository employee a) whose location at this time is uniquely unaccounted for; b) who will later claim to have been here; c) who looks strikingly like Prayer Man
or
B) a random person from off the street who is the sole non-Depository employee in that entranceway yet whose presence goes completely unnoticed.

To choose B) over A) would be to choose utter irrationality over plain common sense.

The Lone Nutter zealots will of course do what they always do: go into red-faced denial mode; the carnival barkers who believe in 2 Oswalds, etc. will go into purple-faced denial mode.

But who cares? They have lost the argument. There is now no good argument against Prayer Man's being Mr Oswald, and plenty of excellent arguments for his being Mr Oswald. Even more to the point, there remains no viable alternative candidate for Prayer Man.

An historic week for JFK assassination research!  Thumb1:

Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2589 on: February 13, 2019, 12:28:11 AM »
Why should I believe that Sarah ever even once insisted to her relatives anything contrary to what she said in her sworn affidavit? Why should anyone believe it?

Doyle isn't even telling the truth about what Stanton's relatives said.

 

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