Prayer Woman

[Ray Mitcham]

Brian, wake up. Stancak base his postings on the Darnell photo I posted above NOT the Weigman photo you are mistakenly discussing.

As far as discussing anything with anybody else,  with your childish insults, you are once again showing why you have been banned from so many forums.

You can't even answer a simple sun angle question. 

Care to try it yet?

[Brian Doyle]

Again Ray...You are making an extremely dumb point there because Wiegman is the exact same scene a few seconds earlier and therefore possesses the same shadow...

You seem to have difficulty comprehending what is being argued here...My point is that you have no right to demand we only look at the Darnell image because the Wiegman image is a credible comparison seeing how it is the exact same scene taken a few seconds earlier...
 
It is YOU who is not answering the question here and YOU have failed to answer why the Wiegman frame showing the same shadow line on Lovelady can't be used as a scientific comparison? In effect you are ignoring valid evidence and arguments and not answering for it...You are offering a fallacious argument...Just because Stancak used Darnell doesn't mean I can't refute it using Wiegman...Also, Stancak posted that he used a sun angle app to determine the shadow line...So you are not even right about that either...

[Ray Mitcham]

     Again Ray...You are making an extremely dumb point there because Wiegman is the exact same scene a few seconds earlier and therefore possesses the same shadow...

Maybe but we are discussing Stancak's posting not your ramblings.

           You seem to have difficulty comprehending what is being argued here...My point is that you have no right to demand we only look at the Darnell image because the Wiegman image is a credible comparison seeing how it is the exact same scene taken a few seconds earlier...

Why are you talking about Weigman, stupid? We are talking about the Darnell photo. the shadows on each are different. but then I wouldn't expect you to be able to see that.

 

          It is YOU who is not answering the question here and YOU have failed to answer why the Wiegman frame showing the same shadow line on Lovelady can't be used as a scientific comparison? In effect you are ignoring valid evidence and arguments and not answering for it...You are offering a fallacious argument...Just because Stancak used Darnell doesn't mean I can't refute it using Wiegman...Also, Stancak posted that he used a sun angle app to determine the shadow line...So you are not even right about that either...

You can't refute Stancak by using a different photo. You are just showing everybody how stupid you are.

As it happens Stancak has used the correct sun angle, but then if you disagree, tell us what you think the angle of the sun should be, or maybe people will think you are too stupid to answer,

[Ray Mitcham]

    Duncan:     I do not understand...

That's the first sensible thing you've said on here, since your return.

Tell us what you think the angle should be,  Brian.

[Brian Doyle]

Sorry, I didn't know margin-keeping was a requirement...

Ray is obviously ignoring evidence so I am not going to answer him...

I have proven my case with Wiegman and Ray's responses are not credible...

Anyone qualified enough to participate will know I have already answered Ray's question in what I already wrote...The shadow angle is apparent from what is seen in Wiegman and Ray has not offered any credible reason for ignoring it...His Darnell-only argument should disqualify him from discussion because it would be rejected, objectively, in most assassination forums as invalid and frankly silly...Not to mention that Darnell also shows the same sun angle I am claiming that Stancak has misrepresented...

Stancak has refuted himself with his own model...There's no doubt Prayer Person has shoulders that are squared to the landing in Wiegman...Go to Stancak's overhead graphic and if Prayer Person is brought square to the landing in Wiegman then, by Stancak's own illustration, his shoulders would swing over in to the bright sun shown in that model...The reason Stancak did not do a computer graphic for Wiegman is because he realized he refuted himself...Stancak will not answer this which proves he cannot defend his own publicly-posted work without making false accusations against his correct critics...But as James Gordon said:  "Go on Andrej...Take your time"... lol

And don't forget Stancak is publicly ignoring my catching him making Prayer Person's inseam over 2 inches longer than Frazier's - which is impossible for a person who was 3.5 inches taller in height than Oswald...Still waiting for an answer on that... 

The point at which I was banned in December 2016 from the somewhere else was when I tried to show the Altgens image of Lovelady on the landing...The Prayer Person crew was trying to say Lovelady was on the step...I was trying to show that he was on the landing because you can compare his height as seen in Altgens with those behind him...One look at Altgens and it becomes quickly apparent that Lovelady is not the 7 inches shorter than the people next to him like the step would require...Gordon saw this coming and banned me without explanation before I could refute his favorite posters whose seriously flawed evidence he failed to detect...Gordon describes all this business as "guarding quality of content" and the somewhere else membership cowars underneath it knowing the whole time it is bully moderation with an agenda other than what is officially claimed...

[Ray Mitcham]

Sorry, I didn't know margin-keeping was a requirement...

Ray is obviously ignoring evidence so I am not going to answer him...

I have proven my case with Wiegman and Ray's responses are not credible...

Anyone qualified enough to participate will know I have already answered Ray's question in what I already wrote...The shadow angle is apparent from what is seen in Wiegman and Ray has not offered any credible reason for ignoring it...His Darnell-only argument should disqualify him from discussion because it would be rejected, objectively, in most assassination forums as invalid and frankly silly...Not to mention that Darnell also shows the same sun angle I am claiming that Stancak has misrepresented...

Stancak has refuted himself with his own model...There's no doubt Prayer Person has shoulders that are squared to the landing in Wiegman...Go to Stancak's overhead graphic and if Prayer Person is brought square to the landing in Wiegman then, by Stancak's own illustration, his shoulders would swing over in to the bright sun shown in that model...The reason Stancak did not do a computer graphic for Wiegman is because he realized he refuted himself...Stancak will not answer this which proves he cannot defend his own publicly-posted work without making false accusations against his correct critics...But as James Gordon said:  "Go on Andrej...Take your time"... lol

And don't forget Stancak is publicly ignoring my catching him making Prayer Person's inseam over 2 inches longer than Frazier's - which is impossible for a person who was 3.5 inches taller in height than Oswald...Still waiting for an answer on that...

Brian has shown that he is incapable of showing the angle of the sun shining on the top of the TSBD steps. Yet he continues to state that Stancak is incorrect in his presentations. As he has shown in the past, Brian is completely incompetent. and his future postings should be viewed with that in mind.

[Ray Mitcham]

Duncan:    I'd be interested in the sun angle you think this image shows? (Please remember Lovelady is at the center railing)


https://www.google.com/search?q=Wiegman+Prayer+Man+JFK&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjooJ-ElaHaAhWPulMKHQGRAYsQ_AUICigB&biw=2282&bih=1176#imgrc=oCWWT_ZciFlJbM:

Don't ask Duncan, Brian,

Work it out yourself, if you are capable.

[Brian Doyle]

Ray:   Evidence is a double-edged sword and you are also equally required to show where you think the shadows that are clearly seen on Lovelady's body in Wiegman fall in the portal...


We both know that clearly seen shadow on Lovelady's right side seen in my link PROVES 1) That the shadow is from the west wall and not the lintel only like you falsely claimed...2) And that it PROVES the shadow turns 90 degrees on Frazier's collarbone in Darnell after running up his right side too...

This PROVES Stancak has radically misdrawn his shadow line in his computer graphic and incompetency is not the outrageous accusation he dramatizes but is instead backed by the facts...Stancak has yet to answer this after being protected by Gordon's moderation...

[Ray Mitcham]

Ray:   Evidence is a double-edged sword and you are also equally required to show where you think the shadows that are clearly seen on Lovelady's body in Wiegman fall in the portal...


We both know that clearly seen shadow on Lovelady's right side seen in my link PROVES 1) That the shadow is from the west wall and not the lintel only like you falsely claimed...2) And that it PROVES the shadow turns 90 degrees on Frazier's collarbone in Darnell after running up his right side too...

This PROVES Stancak has radically misdrawn his shadow line in his computer graphic and incompetency is not the outrageous accusation he dramatizes but is instead backed by the facts...Stancak has yet to answer this after being protected by Gordon's moderation...

Your waffle is useless, Brian. He doesn't need Gordon's moderation as you are unable to show why he is wrong on here, and you have had plenty of opportunity but you seem incapable.. You can't accuse Stancak of anything if you can't show him he's wrong. Tell me what the angle of the sun on the steps  was at 12.30 on 22nd. If you can't, just admit it and I'll show you the answer.

Don't go running to Duncan asking for his help. Be a man. Grow a pair.

[Brian Doyle]

The best way to describe the sun angle on Nov 22nd in Dealey Plaza are the images I showed that physically show that sun angle on the persons in question...This is the best representation of that angle and it can't be answered by ignoring it or offering inferior arguments of evidence (or trolling)...

 A competent analyst who examines the Wiegman frames I presented will see they adequately exhibit a shadow plane in the portal that goes from the edge of the west portal wall over to Lovelady...Lovelady is leaning against the center railing in Wiegman and is visibly seen by the portal dimensions to be near the middle of the portal...That means any shadow line from the west wall that falls on him is well towards the center of the portal...If we then go to Stancak's overhead graphic we can see he has drawn his shadow border well to the west side of the portal and far away from where we see it fall in Wiegman...

Ray is telling a non-truth here and my argument is correct by any normal standard of academic vetting of evidence and Ray's obvious dishonesty is not...

Jim D will come in and say "Good job Ray"...

Frazier and Prayer Person are also turned towards each other more than Stancak has shown in his computer graphic...