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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #1910 on: October 27, 2018, 03:32:19 PM »
Did Ms Conway mention to Mr Frazier that Prayer Person is to Mr Frazier's right not just in the Darnell film but in Hughes and Wiegman too?

Did she then remind Mr Frazier of his own clear statement to Gary Mack that Sarah Stanton was to his left as President and Mrs Kennedy came into view?

And did she think to to remind Mr Frazier of the colour of Ms Stanton's hair?

Thought not! For that would have required an understanding of the facts of the case that went beyond the 'information' being fed to her by Mr Doyle----the man whose unearthing of a contemporary photo of Ms Stanton confirmed beyond any lingering doubt that she could not possibly be Prayer Person!  Thumb1:
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« Reply #1911 on: October 27, 2018, 05:48:49 PM »
Did Ms Conway mention to Mr Frazier that Prayer Person is to Mr Frazier's right not just in the Darnell film but in Hughes and Wiegman too?

Did she then remind Mr Frazier of his own clear statement to Gary Mack that Sarah Stanton was to his left as President and Mrs Kennedy came into view?

And did she think to to remind Mr Frazier of the colour of Ms Stanton's hair?

Thought not! For that would have required an understanding of the facts of the case that went beyond the 'information' being fed to her by Mr Doyle----the man whose unearthing of a contemporary photo of Ms Stanton confirmed beyond any lingering doubt that she could not possibly be Prayer Person!  Thumb1:

Alan ignores previously posted good evidence and propagandizes his Prayer Man rhetoric even though it has been adequately disproven...In the video that Duncan posted of my interview with Stanton's relatives Alan flooded that video's comments section with Prayer Man BS under the handle "JFK ACT . Org"...The debate in that comments section came down to Frazier's locating of Sarah by means of Calvery...Like the main Prayer Man advocate, Alan denied that Calvery was at the steps and entered false evidence like the main Prayer Man advocate does when confronted by conclusive evidence...Another poster came in named "B Manning King" who also verified that Calvery is at the steps in Couch/Darnell...Alan ignored his input and didn't answer...That's all you need to know about Alan is he is a bunk purveyor who when confronted by the correct evidence ignores it and then puts on his reasonable good guy act with all its phony manners etc...

Alan and the Prayer Man nuts have had it explained to them that Stanton was to Frazier's left when she first came out of the building...That was when Pauline Sanders remembered Stanton being on the east side of the steps with her because she was...At some point Sarah moved over to Frazier's right...When you post that this was proven by Lovelady when he named those closest to him from his left to his right (Lovelady named "Shelley, Frazier, and Sarah Stanton") the Prayer Man nuts ignore it and re-enter their already-disproven crap...Lovelady's placement put Stanton squarely in the Prayer Man spot...But the most conclusive evidence of Sarah's location was Frazier's 2013 interview where he detailed he and Sarah "staring at each other for the longest time" after Calvery announced the president had been shot upon reaching the steps...Sandy Larsen and Thomas Graves have proven Calvery is at the steps...Once you locate Calvery at the steps in Couch/Darnell it means she has finished announcing the president has been shot and Frazier is well into his staring at Sarah for the longest time...Since Frazier is looking at Prayer Man for the entire length of Couch/Darnell that means Prayer Man is Stanton...

Smart people will see that the main Prayer Man advocate and Ford totally ignore Frazier's and Lovelady's locating of Stanton...The main Prayer Man advocate never mentions his own discovery of Lovelady & Shelley having spoken to Calvery at the base of the steps and heading up the Elm St extension, as is seen in Couch/Darnell...They categorically ignore it and go out of their way to never mention it...Intelligent people who know deliberate liars when they see them realize that these two characters excerpt this information exactly because of their own awareness that it refutes what they are trying to sell... Smart people see that Larsen refuses to follow-through on his insistence that Calvery is at the steps because he knows it refutes Prayer Man as Oswald...That's just plain dishonest but it is perfectly OK tactics for the Prayer Man mob that has hijacked the community and boots out anyone who disproves it...None of them are going to ask Larsen to follow-through...

Not only this but photo analysis of Prayer Man will show that she has Stanton's exact obese shoulder line, hips, and forearm - not to mention exact 5 foot 4 height...

If Stanton were to Frazier's left in Darnell the Prayer Man people would be able to point her out...The playing field is so wickedly corrupted on this issue that the main advocate was allowed to get away with trying to place Sarah down and to the right on the steps...Everyone knows that is a preposterous lie but because they benefit from not admitting they were wrong on Prayer Man they allow it...That's a huge rotten double standard but there you go...Alan knows this because I've posted it several times but he will continue to ignore it and post his Prayer Man crap as long as he's allowed to get away with it...     
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« Reply #1912 on: October 29, 2018, 04:48:13 PM »
The debate with Alan Ford in the comments section of Duncan's You-Tube video of my interview with Stanton's relatives came down to my reference to Frazier's locating of Stanton via Gloria Calvery's arrival at the steps...Just like the main Prayer Man advocate, Ford denied Calvery's arriving at the steps and being seen in Couch/Darnell climbing the steps with the lady in all white...This is the impasse the Prayer Man debate had reached with the main deniers...Ford is not asking Sandy Larsen to verify his locating Calvery in Couch/Darnell elsewhere where he has access to him...

This is a very simple matter where the Prayer Man community has successfully avoided following-through on this obvious evidence by means of banning those who present it...I have posted this impasse in plain, easy to understand language and Alan is ignoring it and staying quiet...He's doing that because he knows it is proof he can't answer without going into his usual BS filibuster where he speechifies Prayer Man rhetoric but does it to avoid giving a straight answer to Frazier's locating of Stanton via Calvery in his 2013 6th Floor Museum interview...

The challenge is there for Alan Ford to give an honest direct answer to Frazier's very precise locating of Sarah Stanton in relation to Gloria Calvery's arrival at the steps...So far all Ford can muster is uncredible denial that Calvery is there even though we have more than proven Calvery is seen on the steps...Dead silence from Ford even though the evidence is laid out in front of him...There's a huge rotten double standard in the community where Prayer Man people are allowed to flagrantly deny obvious proven evidence with no response from the Prayer Man majority while those who have proven their case are banned...

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« Reply #1913 on: October 29, 2018, 06:18:15 PM »
The debate with Alan Ford in the comments section of Duncan's You-Tube video of my interview with Stanton's relatives came down to my reference to Frazier's locating of Stanton via Gloria Calvery's arrival at the steps...Just like the main Prayer Man advocate, Ford denied Calvery's arriving at the steps and being seen in Couch/Darnell climbing the steps with the lady in all white...This is the impasse the Prayer Man debate had reached with the main deniers...Ford is not asking Sandy Larsen to verify his locating Calvery in Couch/Darnell elsewhere where he has access to him...

This is a very simple matter where the Prayer Man community has successfully avoided following-through on this obvious evidence by means of banning those who present it...I have posted this impasse in plain, easy to understand language and Alan is ignoring it and staying quiet...He's doing that because he knows it is proof he can't answer without going into his usual BS filibuster where he speechifies Prayer Man rhetoric but does it to avoid giving a straight answer to Frazier's locating of Stanton via Calvery in his 2013 6th Floor Museum interview...

The challenge is there for Alan Ford to give an honest direct answer to Frazier's very precise locating of Sarah Stanton in relation to Gloria Calvery's arrival at the steps...So far all Ford can muster is uncredible denial that Calvery is there even though we have more than proven Calvery is seen on the steps...Dead silence from Ford even though the evidence is laid out in front of him...There's a huge rotten double standard in the community where Prayer Man people are allowed to flagrantly deny obvious proven evidence with no response from the Prayer Man majority while those who have proven their case are banned...
When viewing some "previous MannequinPlacements" in the TSBD EntrancePortal, it appears to be a BillyLoveladyImage Mannequin facing the arriving Gloria CalveryImage Mannequin, with to her right the also arriving KaranHicksImage Mannequin, but I have to conclude that BillyLoveladyImage had left the stairs, and what is actually seen on film is the back of KarenWestbrookImage, wearing a light blue head scarf, who is just ahead of GloriaCalveyImage. And, it appears likely to be CarolReedImage, aka RunningWoman Image, approaching on the Old Elm St extension.
Consideration needs to be given to the provable evidence placing KarenWestbrookImage, KaranHicksImage, CarolReedImage, and GloriaCalveryImage standing next to each other on the Elm St northside curb, about 120 feet away from and west of the EntancePortal when the assassination/wounding shooting occurred.

I also have to conclude, that upon arrival at the steps, provable evidence indicates that GloriaCalvery was announcing what she had just witnessed, and said announcement could very easily caused other PortalArea occupants to miss seeing of the arrival and building entering by DPD Officer ML Baker.
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« Reply #1914 on: October 29, 2018, 06:53:54 PM »
In the attached video Frazier makes a reference to a Lady named Sarah who happened to be standing next to him. This happens at the 18:24 mark. Funny thing though , using his thumb he points to the LEFT referring to the "Sarah" position.



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« Reply #1915 on: October 29, 2018, 07:26:04 PM »
Yes, we have already established Sarah was to Frazier's left when she first came out from the Depository...This was the time period that Pauline Sanders was referring to when she told of Sarah being "on the east side of the steps"...However we know Sarah crossed over to the west side by the wall because we can see her there in Darnell...The person being called Prayer Man has Sarah's exact obese hips, shoulder line, and forearm...Prayer Man is also Stanton's 5 foot 4 height...The cincher is Frazier's 2013 6th Floor Museum interview where at minute mark 33:50 Frazier details he and Stanton "looking at each other in shock for the longest time" when Calvery arrived at the steps shouting "the president has been shot"...One look at the Couch/Darnell film clip shows Frazier locked on Prayer Man for the entire length of the clip...That makes Prayer Man Stanton according to Frazier's clear description...Calvery is seen at the base of the steps proving that this is the exact moment Frazier described in the interview...Lovelady also described those closest to him from his left to his right...He described "Shelley, Frazier, and Sarah Stanton" in order...That also places Stanton in the Prayer Man spot...
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« Reply #1916 on: October 29, 2018, 07:51:28 PM »
Yes, we have already established Sarah was to Frazier's left when she first came out from the Depository...This was the time period that Pauline Sanders was referring to when she told of Sarah being "on the east side of the steps"...However we know Sarah crossed over to the west side by the wall because we can see her there in Darnell...The person being called Prayer Man has Sarah's exact obese hips, shoulder line, and forearm...Prayer Man is also Stanton's 5 foot 4 height...The cincher is Frazier's 2013 6th Floor Museum interview where at minute mark 33:50 Frazier details he and Stanton "looking at each other in shock for the longest time" when Calvery arrived at the steps shouting "the president has been shot"...One look at the Couch/Darnell film clip shows Frazier locked on Prayer Man for the entire length of the clip...That makes Prayer Man Stanton according to Frazier's clear description...Calvery is seen at the base of the steps proving that this is the exact moment Frazier described in the interview...Lovelady also described those closest to him from his left to his right...He described "Shelley, Frazier, and Sarah Stanton" in order...That also places Stanton in the Prayer Man spot...

Sorry, no. He places the position of the limo in front of the building. He then refers to Stanton and makes a reference to her position. Now you're expecting people to believe that your over chubby woman is going to maneuver her ,as you describe it , rather large presence over to the side of the stairs where her field of view is now occupied by press vehicles and no longer watching the President's limo? All in a time frame of seconds? So by the time Weigman/Darnell films the building she has transported her portly being from east to west? C'mon really. Stop. That is what your good detective sense has come up with?

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« Reply #1917 on: October 29, 2018, 08:43:27 PM »
Sorry, no. He places the position of the limo in front of the building. He then refers to Stanton and makes a reference to her position. Now you're expecting people to believe that your over chubby woman is going to maneuver her ,as you describe it , rather large presence over to the side of the stairs where her field of view is now occupied by press vehicles and no longer watching the President's limo? All in a time frame of seconds? So by the time Weigman/Darnell films the building she has transported her portly being from east to west? C'mon really. Stop. That is what your good detective sense has come up with?

You are of course quite right, Mr Logan.  Thumb1:

Mr Frazier has made it abundantly clear that Sarah Stanton was to his left as the President and First Lady passed! (Mr Doyle is still in Angry Denial Mode about this Inconvenient Fact.)

Mr Frazier obviously does not know that Prayer Person is to his right not just in the Darnell film but also in the Wiegman film! And in the Hughes film!!

Mr Frazier's Doyle/Conway-influenced ID of Prayer Person as Sarah Stanton is therefore as worthless as Stanton's granddaughter's Doyle-influenced ID of Prayer Person as Sarah Stanton!

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« Reply #1918 on: October 29, 2018, 09:09:00 PM »
Sorry, no. He places the position of the limo in front of the building. He then refers to Stanton and makes a reference to her position. Now you're expecting people to believe that your over chubby woman is going to maneuver her ,as you describe it , rather large presence over to the side of the stairs where her field of view is now occupied by press vehicles and no longer watching the President's limo? All in a time frame of seconds? So by the time Weigman/Darnell films the building she has transported her portly being from east to west? C'mon really. Stop. That is what your good detective sense has come up with?

 You can't just ignore everything I've written and try to force that Steve...What I wrote takes evidentiary precedent to what you offer...You can't get away with ignoring that Frazier details a very precise time period for his taking to Sarah that is quite clearly expressed in his 2013 interview...That time period is when Calvery gets to the steps and that is the exact moment seen in Couch/Darnell as Graves & Larsen proved...My evidence is proven to be the exact moment in question of the Prayer Man Darnell image and you seem to be avoiding it and making excuses for not answering what it shows...

There's a very simple way to prove this...You say Stanton is on the east side the whole time, including Couch/Darnell...Well if she is then point her out...Sarah was quite obese so you should have no trouble showing us where she is in Couch/Darnell... Meanwhile you try to get away with ignoring that Prayer Man has Sarah Stanton's precise shoulder line, hips, forearm, and 5 foot 4 height...
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« Reply #1919 on: October 29, 2018, 09:12:47 PM »
You are of course quite right, Mr Logan.  Thumb1:

Mr Frazier has made it abundantly clear that Sarah Stanton was to his left as the President and First Lady passed! (Mr Doyle is still in Angry Denial Mode about this Inconvenient Fact.)

Mr Frazier obviously does not know that Prayer Person is to his right not just in the Darnell film but also in the Wiegman film! And in the Hughes film!!

Mr Frazier's Doyle/Conway-influenced ID of Prayer Person as Sarah Stanton is therefore as worthless as Stanton's granddaughter's Doyle-influenced ID of Prayer Person as Sarah Stanton!


Alan Ford is in contempt of my Frazier 2013 interview evidence and its detailed explanation...He can't answer it directly because he knows it refutes him...He's a propagandist and cheerleader but can't answer direct evidence...

Ford posted on Duncan's video of my interview with Sarah's relatives that Calvery has not been identified in Couch/Darnell...That's a lie and Ford is running like the devil to account for it and confront it...

Alan: You have access to Sandy Larsen...Why don't you ask him in public on that website to account for his identification of Calvery at the steps and ask him how it relates to Frazier's locating of Sarah Stanton via Calvery in his 2013 interview?
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« Reply #1919 on: October 29, 2018, 09:12:47 PM »