Prayer Woman

[Royell Storing]

I would like to clear this up too, because I have been going on the PRESUMPTION that the older looking woman (somewhat "plump)  with the white scarf on,  standing to the right of Mr Campbell, as viewed from Wiegman film angle, is Mrs Reid. And that SAME woman with white scarf can be seen in the Couch flim as Baker runs like a ghost image right thru this crowd of women. Since the conventional accepted current time of Couch film is that it doesn't start until 24 sec post shot approx., and if that woman is Reid, then that precludes an early meeting with Oswald BEFORE Baker and Truly, in the 2nd floor office, unless it turns out that either Couch film is a composite and they added in Bakers motorcycle from Darnell film somehow, from a later start of DArnell film at 25 sec post shots., OR, the woman is white scarf seen turning 180 degrees as Baker runs past her is NOT Mrs Reid.

I stil have not resolved with certainty, the  Weigman standing on the GK at 15 sec post last shot fired, still apparently filming the HEsters which is IN the Couch film at the 8 sec mark into Couch film. That would make that event of Weigman be 32 sec post last shots, which IS NOT the CASE as per Wiegmans own film which has him jumping off his car AT approx 15 sec mark in his own film. But thats AT or just BEFORE the last shot is fired, when Wiegman jumped off, so since his camera kept going continuously until its finally stopped AT about the 30 sec mark in the video recording of his film, that would make his having cut his camera AT 15 sec post LAST shot fired.

All i can surmise is that for some reason, Weigman cut his camera at 15 sec post last shot, then stood there frozen, on the Grassy Knoll, doing nothing but holding his camera AS THOUGH her were still filming, but really was not, and stood there for another 17 secs before he then decided to turn around and  walk down towards the Newmans, where he restarted his camera again.. This seems (imo), an odd thing to do for an experienced cameraman such as Weigman to do, since Malscom Couch makes reference that in the camera buisness, even just a 10 second period of time is LONG time. So I have to wonder would an experienced camera man just do nothing for 17 seconds, during the most critical period of time in the aftermath of the shooting.

       Time Lining Any Eyewitness movements via the Wiegman Film is a Mistake. The Wiegman Film was cavalierly accepted by Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers for 40+ years as having been filmed Continuously. Of course, this Continuous stuff is Total Baloney. You mention Wiegman, "WALK down towards the Newmans". The figure ID'd as Wiegman coming down the knoll on the Couch Film is Sprinting not walking. Wiegman claims: (1) he got out of his Camera Car Before the Kill Shot was fired, and (2) "felt Compression on my FACE" from the 3rd shot. If Wiegman jumped out of that car at the corner of Houston & Elm and Oswald was firing that Kill Shot shot from the TSBD 6th Floor downward toward the Stemmons Sign area, just how is Wiegman physically feeling the effect of that shot?. The only logical explanation for Wiegman feeling "compression" would be due to a shot being fired from a Lower Elevation than the TSBD 6th floor.

[Walt Cakebread]

No, you got booted off Morissette's group for the same reason you get booted off every other group -- for being a belligerent, insulting, narcissistic jerk.  Don't blame me for your misconduct.

There is no "Mrs. Reid" on the sidewalk outside the Depository during the motorcade.  Brian's brilliant "analysis" there was that there is a picture of Leavelle sitting outside the homicide bureau next to a woman (who may have been Jack Ruby's sister) on Sunday after Oswald was shot, and the woman superficially resembles a woman in the Cook/Cooper film standing outside the depository after the assassination.  And since Reid was 51 at the time of the assassination, and this woman looks kinda middle-aged, this must be her.  And since Leavelle said he took a deposition from Reid (although that happened on Saturday), then this must be Mrs. Reid (even though neither one of them look anything like the known pictures of Jeraldean Reid).

So, instead of concluding that this is a misidentification, Brian's learned conclusion is that there must have been two Jeraldean Reids to go along with his two Oswalds.
 

Which one is Mrs Reid?.....   The color photo is a different woman.... If the color photo is Reid then the one talking to the detective is not Mrs Reid....

[Alan Ford]

From Agent Bookhout's first solo interrogation report:

Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca-cola form the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. Mr. Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. Oswald stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees lunch room. He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman Bill Shelly

Again the curious impression that Mr Truly had not arrived with the police officer, and that the police officer departed on his own.

Again the curiously similar curious impression that Mrs Sanders reportedly got from talking to Mrs Reid (the woman who said she couldn't remember when 'they'----men who shall remain nameless-----left the lunchroom):



All I'm willing to say at this point is...

Curious! 

Friends, the above has been niggling away at me the past few days... 

Now!

Mr B. Kamp has just come up with some new treasures from his archival dig, and my eye was caught by this report on the HSCA's May 1978 interview of W. P. Gannaway:



Just suppose for a moment that someone in DPD did know about Mr Oswald's background and took steps to 'cover' him the day of the motorcade.

This might have entailed approaching his boss Mr Truly ahead of 11/22 and informing him, 'One of our men will be checking in on this Oswald fellow shortly before the motorcade. Can you appoint a place etc...'

Worth at least a thought, no?

 

[Alan Ford]

Friends, the above has been niggling away at me the past few days... 

Now!

Mr B. Kamp has just come up with some new treasures from his archival dig, and my eye was caught by this report on the HSCA's May 1978 interview of W. P. Gannaway:



Just suppose for a moment that someone in DPD did know about Mr Oswald's background and took steps to 'cover' him the day of the motorcade.

This might have entailed approaching his boss Mr Truly ahead of 11/22 and informing him, 'One of our men will be checking in on this Oswald fellow shortly before the motorcade. Can you appoint a place etc...'

Worth at least a thought, no?

 

It certainly seems quite bizarre----quite random-----that the Warren Commission, just on the eve of the Report's submission, would expressly ask Mr Truly and Officer Baker to make an explicit statement each to the effect that Mr Oswald was the only person in the lunchroom!

This from Mr Truly:



That's quite a lot of apparently unnecessary protesting going on there, ladies and gentlemen of the jury!

Now of course this may simply be more CYA for the front entrance encounter between Mr Oswald and Officer Baker, which happened in a crowded area (and was-----oops!-------described to the press by DPD on 11/22).

But... I can't help but wonder whether something else might not be behind this, something that happened before the motorcade--and was witnessed by other employees?

 

[Walt Cakebread]

       Time Lining Any Eyewitness movements via the Wiegman Film is a Mistake. The Wiegman Film was cavalierly accepted by Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers for 40+ years as having been filmed Continuously. Of course, this Continuous stuff is Total Baloney. You mention Wiegman, "WALK down towards the Newmans". The figure ID'd as Wiegman coming down the knoll on the Couch Film is Sprinting not walking. Wiegman claims: (1) he got out of his Camera Car Before the Kill Shot was fired, and (2) "felt Compression on my FACE" from the 3rd shot. If Wiegman jumped out of that car at the corner of Houston & Elm and Oswald was firing that Kill Shot shot from the TSBD 6th Floor downward toward the Stemmons Sign area, just how is Wiegman physically feeling the effect of that shot?. The only logical explanation for Wiegman feeling "compression" would be due to a shot being fired from a Lower Elevation than the TSBD 6th floor.

The only logical explanation for Wiegman feeling "compression" would be due to a shot being fired from a Lower Elevation than the TSBD 6th floor.

Not only a lower elevation.....If Wiegman felt the concussion on his face then the weapon was in front of him....

[Alan Ford]

It certainly seems quite bizarre----quite random-----that the Warren Commission, just on the eve of the Report's submission, would expressly ask Mr Truly and Officer Baker to make an explicit statement each to the effect that Mr Oswald was the only person in the lunchroom!

This from Mr Truly:



That's quite a lot of apparently unnecessary protesting going on there, ladies and gentlemen of the jury!

Now of course this may simply be more CYA for the front entrance encounter between Mr Oswald and Officer Baker, which happened in a crowded area (and was-----oops!-------described to the press by DPD on 11/22).

But... I can't help but wonder whether something else might not be behind this, something that happened before the motorcade--and was witnessed by other employees?

 

If there is anything to this, then my money would be on Mrs Reid as one of those employees.

It might help explain this bizarre exchange during her testimony:

Mr. DULLES. Yes. Attorney General Carr, do you have any questions?
Mr. CARR. Mrs. Reid, have you had occasion to visit with any of Oswald's relatives, his wife or mother?
Mrs. REID. No.
Mr. CARR. Have they been in there since that date to look over the premises?
Mrs. REID. His mother has been but I didn't see her. She didn't go any further than the first floor I understand, but I have never seen her other than these pictures.
Mr. DULLES. Is it usual for the employees of the depository to have friends visit them during office hours or would that be an unusual practice?
Mrs. REID. No; that would not be unusual. Family or somebody wanted to drop by to see you they never have objected to that.
Mr. BELIN. I think the record should show we are offering in evidence this morning, Mr. Dulles, Commission Exhibit 507 which is the diagram of the seventh floor which Officer Baker testified to.
Mr. DULLES. You want that admitted now?
Mr. BELIN. We want that admitted now.
Mr. DULLES. No objection. It will be admitted.
(The diagram referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 507 for identification and received in evidence.)
Mr. BELIN. I think those are all the questions we have of Mrs. Reid.

Why was Mr Carr's line of questioning closed down?

Had Mrs Reid, under a pang of conscience, made an approach at some point to one of the Mrs Oswald's??

 

[Dale Nason]

Does seem a little strange. The line of questioning was cut off. Wonder why?