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Online John Corbett

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Re: Dr. Baden Refuted the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #84 on: Yesterday at 02:53:46 PM »
Not surprisingly, WC apologists continue to assume their alleged magic bullet was tumbling through Connally's chest after supposedly hitting his back while traveling sideways or while markedly tumbling.

A perfectly logical observation given that it has been demonstrated experimentally that a Carcano bullet will predictably yaw after exiting a block of ballistic gel and the entry wound on JBC's back was elongated.
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In one of the HSCA's wound-ballistics test, two types of bullets were fired into 12-inch blocks of ballistics gelatin: a 6.5 mm FMJ missile (Oswald's alleged ammo), a .30 caliber FMJ bullet. and a .223 M-16/AR-15 frangible bullet. Side-view photos showed that the 6.5 mm and .30 caliber FMJ bullets punched straight, relatively narrow channels through the gelatin, contradicting the theory that the Connally chest bullet was yawing when it passed through the governor's torso (see JFK Exhibit F-116 in 1 HSCA 392).

As usual, you address the wrong question. The question isn't whether the bullet would have yawed while passing through JFK's neck. The question is what it will do upon exiting. The Haag team demonstrated that the bullet would predictably yaw when exiting. The bullet would have yawed after exiting JFK's throat and before it entered JBC's back.
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Dr. Shaw, Connally's chest surgeon, noted that the bullet created a small tunneling wound and shattered the rib while doing only minor damage to the muscles beside it. He reported that the bullet created a "small tunneling wound" (7 HSCA 149), and he noted "the neat way in which it stripped the rib out without doing much damage to the muscles that lay on either side of it" (4 H 116).

In addition, the fact that the entry wound in Connally's back was only 1.5 x 0.8 cm rules out a sideways-striking bullet, or even a markedly tumbling bullet. The wound's dimensions simply show that Connally was turning when the bullet struck, just as he said he was. Stewart Fillmore, a retired FBI agent who has conducted SBT wound-ballistics tests, has noted this point in another thread in this forum:

Nobody has claimed the bullet was perfectly perpendicular to JBC's back when it made its entry. The bullet would make an elongated wound even if it had not rotated 90 degrees before entering JBC''s back. Once more, MTG's poor analytical skills rear their ugly head.
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I would point out that WC apologists here still have not explained how a bullet striking at T1, i.e., slightly below the throat wound and entering at an upward angle, could have traveled downward through the neck unless JFK had been leaning markedly forward when the bullet struck.

As has been explained to you numerous times, the bullet did not enter JFK's back on an upward angle. That would have required a shot fired from below the entry wound, which is ludicrous. The bullet entered JFK's sloping upper back below perpendicular to the surface of his back but still on a downward trajectory. It's a simple concept which is why it is puzzling that you have so much trouble grasping it.
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The OP of this thread includes a link to a page that shows Dr. Baden demonstrating for the 1988 NOVA JFKA documentary just how far forward JFK would have had to be leaning to make the T1 trajectory align with the sixth-floor window. Baden even demonstrated the bullet's upward trajectory through the neck with a wooden pointer stick. The problem, of course, is that no photo or frame shows JFK leaning markedly forward during the timeframes of the various versions of the SBT.

It wasn't the lean of JFK's torso that produced the angle of entry, it was the slope of his back which created an obtuse angle to the flight of the bullet.
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You see, for years WC apologists have trumpeted the fact that the HSCA FPP majority endorsed the SBT. They've endlessly pointed out that the majority consisted of "eight eminent forensic pathologists" (vs. only one dissenter, Dr. Wecht) and that these experts "studied the medical evidence for two years."

But, as we see from their replies in this thread, WC apologists have been trumpeting the FPP's SBT endorsement without realizing that the FPP's SBT destroys the SBT.

That's an illogical assessment.
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They obviously did not realize (or perhaps in some cases hoped nobody knew) that the FPP moved the back wound at least 2.5 inches downward from where Humes fraudulently placed it in CE 385, that the FPP acknowledged that the back wound was below the throat wound, that the FPP acknowledged that the bullet hit the back at an upward angle, and that the FPP acknowledged that the only way to make the trajectory align with the sixth-floor window is to assume JFK was leaning markedly forward when the bullet struck.

We have a photo of the back wound and comparing that photo to the profile view of JFK on the autopsy table, it is quite easy to see with the naked eye that the entry wound on JFK's back is well above the exit wound in JFK's throat. That's without taking into account the 3 degree slope of Elm St.

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Dr. Baden Refuted the Single-Bullet Theory
« Reply #85 on: Yesterday at 09:04:39 PM »

In one of the HSCA's wound-ballistics test, two types of bullets were fired into 12-inch blocks of ballistics gelatin: a 6.5 mm FMJ missile (Oswald's alleged ammo), a .30 caliber FMJ bullet. and a .223 M-16/AR-15 frangible bullet. Side-view photos showed that the 6.5 mm and .30 caliber FMJ bullets punched straight, relatively narrow channels through the gelatin, contradicting the theory that the Connally chest bullet was yawing when it passed through the governor's torso (see JFK Exhibit F-116 in 1 HSCA 392).

Could someone explain that one to me? I don't understand it at all.