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Online Zeon Mason

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Re: How Do LNers Deal With Givens?
« Reply #119 on: Yesterday at 10:00:32 PM »
Present a single piece of credible evidence that places Oswald in the SN at 12:30pm.

I may be one the who 1st  floated that 12:16 BRW leaving earlier time , which was a mistake on my part if I’m going with Arnold Rowlands as a credible witness.

I looked up Arnold Rowland WC testimony and that’s when I found where  he was looking back about every 30 secs after he saw  BRW at 12:15 which means he saw BRW not just one more time at 12:20 but every 30 secs AFTER that until about 12:24 and THEN at 12:25 , he no longer saw BRW.

I generally agree with most of your arguments except the notion the shooter would not have assembled the MC rifle sometime earlier than 12:00 because imo the 7th floor was available ( which is like an attic)

If that’s the case, though the shooter had to have transported the rifle multiple times inside the bag for it to ever have wound  up in the SN. ( unless Bag was moved there after the fact by Fritz team)

So it’s possible after transporting rifle in bag to the SW 6th floor and taking rifle out of  bag such that he was seen by Rowland at 12:15, the shooter after backing away, put the rifle back in the bag, then he had to hide the rifle again (if he is Oswald ) and go back down to 2nd floor lunchroom to be seen
By Carolyn Arnold at 12:17.

However if the shooter is not Oswald then he wouldn’t have to go back down at all. In fact he could have found some spot on the NE corner of the floor where he could have hidden and taken his rifle with him in the bag once more.

This is where it gets into time trouble for the shooter to have arranged the 3 boxes before 12:25 if BRW is still on the floor till 12:24.

And once BRW did leave the floor that late , the shooter must have carried the rifle in the bag one last time to the SN and left it there.

For this hypothetical scenario to be plausible would require  the shooter was wearing gloves as he handled bag ( with he had gotten Oswald’s prints on ) and while the shooter fired the  rifle
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Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: How Do LNers Deal With Givens?
« Reply #120 on: Yesterday at 10:21:39 PM »
Present a single piece of credible evidence that places Oswald in the SN at 12:30pm.

You're in luck there are two pieces. His rifle and his fingerprints.

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Re: How Do LNers Deal With Givens?
« Reply #121 on: Yesterday at 10:27:48 PM »
I may be one the who 1st  floated that 12:16 BRW leaving earlier time , which was a mistake on my part if I’m going with Arnold Rowlands as a credible witness.

I looked up Arnold Rowland WC testimony and that’s when I found where  he was looking back about every 30 secs after he saw  BRW at 12:15 which means he saw BRW not just one more time at 12:20 but every 30 secs AFTER that until about 12:24 and THEN at 12:25 , he no longer saw BRW.

I generally agree with most of your arguments except the notion the shooter would not have assembled the MC rifle sometime earlier than 12:00 because imo the 7th floor was available ( which is like an attic)

If that’s the case, though the shooter had to have transported the rifle multiple times inside the bag for it to ever have wound  up in the SN. ( unless Bag was moved there after the fact by Fritz team)

So it’s possible after transporting rifle in bag to the SW 6th floor and taking rifle out of  bag such that he was seen by Rowland at 12:15, the shooter after backing away, put the rifle back in the bag, then he had to hide the rifle again (if he is Oswald ) and go back down to 2nd floor lunchroom to be seen
By Carolyn Arnold at 12:17.

However if the shooter is not Oswald then he wouldn’t have to go back down at all. In fact he could have found some spot on the NE corner of the floor where he could have hidden and taken his rifle with him in the bag once more.

This is where it gets into time trouble for the shooter to have arranged the 3 boxes before 12:25 if BRW is still on the floor till 12:24.

And once BRW did leave the floor that late , the shooter must have carried the rifle in the bag one last time to the SN and left it there.

For this hypothetical scenario to be plausible would require  the shooter was wearing gloves as he handled bag ( with he had gotten Oswald’s prints on ) and while the shooter fired the  rifle

Rowland was a complete clown. By the end of his testimony they were making fun of how ridiculous his answers were.