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Online John Corbett

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Re: Why Altgens 6 Refutes the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #21 on: Today at 01:41:23 PM »

The problem is that you guys have no bullet that can explain the pre-Z256 windshield damage. But, rather than admit this, it looks like you're going to claim that no such damage existed before Z256.


I don't think any of us can explain things that exist only in your head. We don't hear the voices either.

Online Royell Storing

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Re: Why Altgens 6 Refutes the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #22 on: Today at 02:20:23 PM »
I think it would be worthwhile to quote more of what Dr. Mantik says about windshield damage in Altgens 6 and in pre-Z256 frames of the Zapruder film:

Roy Schaeffer of Dayton, Ohio, claims first discovery of the windshield damage seen in the Altgens 6 photographs. No one has disputed this. Schaeffer was at the Dayton Daily News when he received the Mary Moorman and the Altgens 6 photographs and removed them from the Thermofax machine at 7:15 a.m., on Saturday, November 23, 1963. He is considered “an expert of the highest order, with intricate knowledge of the newspaper business of the late ‘50s and early ‘60s and beyond.”    Schaeffer, in his unpublished article, “A Matter of a Reasonable Doubt,” claimed that Z-222 shows the windshield hole.

At Z-230, a white dot of reflected light is visible on the limousine windshield. As viewed from the front, this appears just above and to the right of the rearview mirror (Figure 5.3).

Figure 5.3: Z-230. The circle identifies damage to the windshield. Z-230 is a fair representation of the windshield damage I saw on the first generation MPI images at the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas. . . .

I asked Roy Schaeffer when he had first noticed the windshield damage. Here is his reply in an email to me on October 30, 2021:


Dr. Mantik,

It was near Christmas of 1963, after learning at Willard’s garage of bullet damage to the Presidential Limousine. I then noticed the bullet hole in the Presidential Limousine from looking at the Saturday Evening Post near New Years that year.

I told two editors from the Dayton Daily News that I remember, one Carl Byers, staff writer, and then Lou Rotterman, Washington Bureau Chief. You have to remember Ralph McGill was Pres. of the Atlanta Constitution. I also told later Jim Nickols, writer and friend at the Dayton Daily News. That was as far as it went. At that time, I was an Apprentice.

I didn’t notice the bullet hole on 11/23/1963. My father had been a friend of Humphrey since 1930. Sadly, when my father died in 1968 my mother got rid of all their correspondence. After that, from time to time, I would mention it at the newspaper. As far as going to the outside media, I didn’t until 1991, Channel 22, ABC news, Dayton.

Roy Schaeffer
(The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis, 2024, pp. 287-289, 343)

Anthony Edward DeFiore discussed the windshield damage seen in Altgens 6 and used to have good-quality enlargements of Altgens 6 on his website that enabled you to see the damage, but his site is no longer active.

Here is a YouTube video titled JFK - Altgens Photo 6 Colorized: Bullet Hole Clearly Visible In Windshield

I should have titled this thread "Why Altgens 6 and Pre-Z256 Zapruder Frames Refute the Lone-Gunman Theory," because the windshield damage is even more visible in the MPI large-frame version of the Zapruder film in a number of frames before Z256. You can get the MPI version on DVD and view it yourself. Here's one link to it:

https://www.mpihomevideo.com/products/image-of-an-assasination-a-new-look-at-the-zapruder-film-dvd

I can see windshield damage in Z227-230 in my copy of the MPI version when I view it on my 55-inch HD flat-screen TV. As Dr. Mantik notes, the damage is especially visible in Z229-230. I do not have the advantage of viewing individual large-format transparencies as Dr. Mantik was able to do at the Sixth Floor Museum, but I can see with my own eyes the damage he describes as being readily visible in Z229-230 on my DVD copy of the MPI digitally enlarged version of the film.

   So Schaeffer has, "...intricate knowledge of the newspaper business..."? So what. This has absolutely Nothing to do with his ability to examine a JFK Assassination Photo hot off  that 1963 "Thermofax machine". Seriously?