Education Forum Goes Off the Rails

[John Corbett]

hey didn’t they toss out Jimbo Di & Scully at the same time over the famous arabelli incident? those tossers !! a whole lotta tossin’ goin’ on.

This is why I never made much of an effort to join the Ed Forum. As long as there is someone who decides which arguments are valid and which are not, I have no interest in taking part. McAdams' group was moderated but he rejected posts only when they violated well spelled out guidelines of decorum. He occasionally rejected some of mine when I tested the boundaries. I never knew him to decide on the validity of the points someone was making. I never knew him to outright ban someone from the forum.

[Benjamin Cole]

The EF-JFKA seems to be doing a house-cleaning, they demoted William N., and now banned "Leslie Sharp."  Other banned people have been allowed back.

But still, the EF-JFKA is clogged with anti-Trump juvenalia like this:

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I do not happen to be a Trump fan, and no need to explain the reasons.

But Trump is not a topic for a JFKA forum, except as perhaps as relates to the JFK Records Act.

[Brian Doyle]

   The only requirement for membership now is fidelity to the clique and Jim D...

   Leslie is the known expert on the Databook...Because of that she should be safe from the occasional head-hunting campaigns those forums like to do every now and then...Denny Zartman is just a common internet poster who wandered in off the internet a few years ago...Simkin now venerates Zartman as a wise man board elder...They take themselves way too seriously and none of the offenses they execute people for couldn't be handled with warnings and post-deletion instead of the moderator road rage they practice...The cost of this clique enforcement results in us being forced to listen to the same old boring researchers who come up short of the best evidence and force us to read a now-moribund Education Forum until the plaster cracks...Ask Jim DiEugenio how his Task Force pursuit of Prayer Man is going...The forum is meant to indulge the regular researchers and their personal biases even though it lies and says it bases itself on a strict set of academic rules...

If you read Jim's article on Shirley Martin you would think Jim would have some appreciation for a researcher who found the most important evidence discovery of our generation...But no...He stays loyal to James Gordon and the gang who are pretending they are objective, rules-guided academics instead of the internet head-hunters they are...The banning of Leslie Sharp is all about the clique not losing control...The same group that has now let Greg Parker's ROKC nuts back on to the The forum through the Iler back door...

The Education Forum is desperately protecting the Prayer Man theory, Bart Kamp, and Jim DiEugenio...It is ignoring any petitions to re-examine the Prayer Man evidence and the forum's handling of it...The forum is hijacked by certain pro-Prayer Man persons who have the moderators cowed and in their control and they will not allow the correct evidence, or those who were unfairly banned for trying to show it, lest the forum be shown as the cult of personality farce it is that runs by mob rule...The forum doesn't care about the correct evidence nor does it care about cracking the case...It just cares about the right people being in control and having the last and only word...A spot DiEugenio is all too willing to fill at the expense of good research...

[Benjamin Cole]

BD-

Oddly enough, a few years back I called into Len Osanic's show, and JD was on. He lit into me on the Prayer Man issue.

I forget the name of the PM researcher, but he did some good work on placing most TSBD'ers whereabouts during the shooting. But not LHO's, unless one accepts the blurry photo of what looks like a chubby women as LHO. I forget now if the PM researcher correctly located the publisher-office employees on the mid-level floors on the TSBD, but I think he didn't do that. So there are some loose ends there, which is not to say anything more than that.

For whatever reason, JD has really latched onto the Prayer Man. JD is very knowledgeable, but he does seem prone to giving credence to every scrap of CT.

We will see if the EF-JFKA can improve.

[Brian Doyle]

BD-

Oddly enough, a few years back I called into Len Osanic's show, and JD was on. He lit into me on the Prayer Man issue.

You are saying Jim opposed the Prayer Man theory when he confronted you?...That may be around the time that Jim admitted to me that I had proven Prayer Man was too husky to be Oswald...Somewhere around 2018 I think...When I responded to Jim that he should do the right thing and post it on The Education Forum where it would do the most good he responded by putting me on block...The Education Forum is OK with Jim doing that...They don't ask him about it and they don't question his obvious violation of his own often-promoted standards...If Jim wants to commit rogue hypocrisy and victimize an innocent researcher it is OK with them and Denny Zartman is not going to cite him with any moderation points...

A few years ago after Osanic had Bart Kamp on Black Op Radio I contacted Osanic and told him he was making a mistake by allowing Kamp free unopposed reign on his show and that Prayer Man had been disproven...Osanic told me to send him my proof...After I did I then got no response from Osanic and he continued to follow the DiEugenio party-line on Prayer Man...Prayer Man gains most of its momentum by means of this type of dirty insider's corruption and screwing researchers who disprove them...JFK research is a big club and you ain't in it...

I forget the name of the PM researcher, but he did some good work on placing most TSBD'ers whereabouts during the shooting. But not LHO's, unless one accepts the blurry photo of what looks like a chubby women as LHO. I forget now if the PM researcher correctly located the publisher-office employees on the mid-level floors on the TSBD, but I think he didn't do that. So there are some loose ends there, which is not to say anything more than that.

In 2018 I discovered the evidence discovery of our generation...Sarah Stanton had heard Oswald say he wasn't going down to the front steps to watch the motorcade but was, instead, going back in to the 2nd Floor Lunch Room to eat his lunch...Not only did DiEugenio totally ignore this but he also went to Congress to promote a theory he already admitted was bogus...This discovery disproves Prayer Man so the clique is ignoring it even though it is a major discovery on parr with some of the best evidence discoveries in JFK research...

For whatever reason, JD has really latched onto the Prayer Man. JD is very knowledgeable, but he does seem prone to giving credence to every scrap of CT.

We will see if the EF-JFKA can improve.

If you follow The Education Forum it prefers deeply-researched speculative extensively-written material over high quality evidence and argument...It is a sanctuary for long-winded egotists and researchers who like reading their own stuff more than actually solving the case...The forum is about them...It isn't about research or solving the case...Even though Jim D knows Prayer Man is BS he knows it is where the clique goes and therefore that is where he's going to go - even if he has to destroy good research in the process...To be honest with you I'm not really sure which side he's on...

[Benjamin Cole]

BD--

"You are saying Jim opposed the Prayer Man theory when he confronted you?"--BD

No, quite the opposite. He loved PM as LHO.

It has been a few years, but as I recall I said what I always say, which is no one saw LHO as shots rang out. He was invisible.

You have an eyewitness (Howard Brennan) who saw a a white guy in the TSBD6 sniper window firing in the direction of the limo (or at least a light-skinned individual), and Amos Euins saw a figure in the TSBD6 firing, again towards the limo. I have little doubt someone fired in the direction of the limo from TSBD6 on 11.22, and I strongly suspect it was LHO.

LHO ran down the back stairs before those other TSBD employees got onto the stairs.

JD said the Prayer Man researcher had nailed down were all TSBD employees were, so the Prayer Man was LHO, or something close to that. I think PM looks like a chubby woman.

My only difference with the WC is they ruled out a conspiracy from Day One, on instructions from LBJ.

So they may have correctly defined what LHO did that day, but not other conspirators.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

[Brian Doyle]

BD--

"You are saying Jim opposed the Prayer Man theory when he confronted you?"--BD

No, quite the opposite. He loved PM as LHO.

Yep...And that was probably after he admitted to me that I had proven Prayer Man was too husky to be Oswald...Jim had seen my posting of Sarah Stanton's family photo showing her obesity and realized I was right...He responded on Facebook "To be honest with you when I first saw the image of the person being called Oswald I thought they were too husky to be Oswald"...

This dishonesty was achieved by James Gordon when he came in to The Education Forum thread and banned the three posters who challenged the clique on their Prayer Man claims...Graves, Gilbride, and myself...Gordon later came in and threatened the membership saying he would moderate any way he desired...In other words he knew he did something wrong...

If you have followed JFK research long enough you will realize Jim D is a shameless click hunter who manipulates the popular opinion of the clique in order to boost his research venues...That explains why, after all that has occurred with Prayer Man, that Jim would be on Osanic solidifying the clique and polishing the Kamp Prayer Man **** - despite all the evidence against and and his own admission it was bogus...That's how Jim rolls and the JFK internet serves this hypocrisy...The EF and DPF use Jim D as their research barometer and Jim runs with it...Knowing they are guilty of this they have completely isolated and censored the Prayer Man topic and guard it with unfair banning...You'll never see Zartman or Iler call Jim on this and make him answer for its damaging effect on JFK research...

It has been a few years, but as I recall I said what I always say, which is no one saw LHO as shots rang out. He was invisible.

You have an eyewitness (Howard Brennan) who saw a a white guy in the TSBD6 sniper window firing in the direction of the limo (or at least a light-skinned individual), and Amos Euins saw a figure in the TSBD6 firing, again towards the limo. I have little doubt someone fired in the direction of the limo from TSBD6 on 11.22, and I strongly suspect it was LHO.

I fully subscribe to Armstrong...Harvey was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room while Lee was upstairs setting him up...Harvey's virgin negative paraffin test shows he never fired a rifle...Many witnesses saw two men in the 6th Floor window...

LHO ran down the back stairs before those other TSBD employees got onto the stairs.

Simply not possible...Mrs Garner said Adams & Styles bolted before the limousine reached the Triple Underpass...At that timing the girls were out ahead of Oswald who theoretically had a much longer route and had to stash the rifle...What happened with Adams is they bolted on adrenaline and had gravity to help them downward on the stairs...They were way ahead of Oswald's theoretical path and it was actually Mrs Garner who was positioned at the 4th Floor landing 20 seconds before Oswald would have arrived there...The bizarre coincidence with this is Truly & Baker may have run in to Lee on the 3rd Floor landing immediately after confronting Harvey in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...

JD said the Prayer Man researcher had nailed down were all TSBD employees were, so the Prayer Man was LHO, or something close to that. I think PM looks like a chubby woman.

 
8 years ago I discovered the research find of our generation and to this day Jim D has never once mentioned it or shown any interest in it...DiEugenio complimented Gordon for banning me and said "It was the right thing to do" because I was only there to troll him and Gordon accepted the praise...The cowardly forum members said nothing...Like I said, The Education Forum isn't really interested in the evidence or solving the case...Jim D specializes in extensive scrutiny of research methods and harsh criticism...His trick is he suddenly shifts to the opposite and plays dumb on matters he's trying to promote and hopes you don't notice he is with-holding his normal skill from the Prayer Man subject...If Jim were to honestly apply that skill he would find that Murphy, or whoever listed where the employees were, had cherry-picked badly and avoided the stronger evidence that proved Oswald was not on the front steps...When you point-out that Frazier firmly identified Prayer Man as Stanton they ignore it...This is what the clique is for and Jim exploits it to the max...Andrew Iler is a liar when he boasts that the forum is there to promote the best evidence and promote the best opposing arguments...It is just the opposite and the forum has shamefully censored and suppressed the counter evidence on Prayer Man while it practices coddling favoritism towards the crank researcher Bart Kamp and bans all those who can disprove him...