Reasonable Doubts?

[Andrew Mason]

This may be why Andrew’s last statement seems to me to suggest the bullet did NOT ENTER  the wrist bone from the top of the hand and exit from the base of the palm. Rather it did something else that’s not quite like  what average IQ people like myself seem to think the official conventional WC stated it did.

Here is the bullet hole in the front of JBC’s jacket:



This indicates that the bullet was still intact when exiting the chest.

However, if the evidence of Greer that he sensed an impact sound of something hitting in the car on the second shot and if Tague’s recollection of being struck by a fragment on the second shot are correct, then the bullet must have fragmented on striking the back of the wrist. The jagged and long hole in the back of the french cuff is consistent with irregular shaped fragments deflecting off the back of the wrist.

The bullet fragments created by forceful impact on the radius bone will necessarily deflect away from the point of contact on the radius.

If a still intact bullet struck the back of the wrist and this impact caused the bullet to fragment then all the fragments would have deflected away from the point of contact. That would have been upward and a bit to the left if it struck the wrist around z270. A fragment of bone could have penetrated through the skin on the volar side but not a bullet fragment created by the impact on the radius.

If that occurred, there was no bullet fragment that passed through the wrist. And, therefore, no bullet hole in the hat.

[John Corbett]

Here is the bullet hole in the front of JBC’s jacket:



This indicates that the bullet was still intact when exiting the chest.

However, if the evidence of Greer that he sensed an impact sound of something hitting in the car on the second shot and if Tague’s recollection of being struck by a fragment on the second shot are correct, then the bullet must have fragmented on striking the back of the wrist. The jagged and long hole in the back of the french cuff is consistent with irregular shaped fragments deflecting off the back of the wrist.

The bullet fragments created by forceful impact on the radius bone will necessarily deflect away from the point of contact on the radius.

If a still intact bullet struck the back of the wrist and this impact caused the bullet to fragment then all the fragments would have deflected away from the point of contact. That would have been upward and a bit to the left if it struck the wrist around z270. A fragment of bone could have penetrated through the skin on the volar side but not a bullet fragment created by the impact on the radius.

If that occurred, there was no bullet fragment that passed through the wrist. And, therefore, no bullet hole in the hat.

A whole lot of ifs there. I counted five but I might have missed one or two.

Here's what really happened with no ifs:

CE399 was the second bullet Oswald fired at JFK. It struck high on JFK's back about two inches right of his spine and exited from just below his Adam's apple. It began tumbling as it exited and entered JBC's back near his right armpit traveling almost sideways making an elongated entrance wound. It exited JBC's chest just below his right nipple, taking out a section of rib and continued tumbling. It struck JBC's right wrist traveling almost backward, depositing small lead fragments from lead core which was exposed at the base of the bullet. From there, it made a shallow penetration into JBC's left thigh before working it's way out and was discovered at Parkland Hospital on a gurney.

No if, ands, or buts needed.

[Royell Storing]

A whole lot of ifs there. I counted five but I might have missed one or two.

Here's what really happened with no ifs:

CE399 was the second bullet Oswald fired at JFK. It struck high on JFK's back about two inches right of his spine and exited from just below his Adam's apple. It began tumbling as it exited and entered JBC's back near his right armpit traveling almost sideways making an elongated entrance wound. It exited JBC's chest just below his right nipple, taking out a section of rib and continued tumbling. It struck JBC's right wrist traveling almost backward, depositing small lead fragments from lead core which was exposed at the base of the bullet. From there, it made a shallow penetration into JBC's left thigh before working it's way out and was discovered at Parkland Hospital on a gurney.

No if, ands, or buts needed.

 Seriously? You NOW have this Magic Bullet traveling, "....almost backward"? These are the contortions this bullet is now making? This is right in line with expanding the extended firing time for the 3 shots from 6+ seconds to now 10+ seconds. This "story" continues changing and only getting more and more ludicrous.

[Andrew Mason]

A whole lot of ifs there. I counted five but I might have missed one or two.

You have “ifs” too. You just don’t acknowledge them.  You will notice that all my “ifs” relate to evidence being true.  All your “ifs relate to evidence being false.

Here's what really happened

…. but with your implicit “ifs” stated:

If the 45+ witnesses for the 1……2…3 shot pattern were wrong and if the 23+ witnesses who said JFK did not smile and wave after the first shot but acted like he was hit by it were wrong, and if the 20+ witnesses who put the first shot time after z180 were all wrong and the first shot missed the entire car so that CE399 was the second bullet Oswald fired at JFK, it struck high on JFK's back about two inches right of his spine and exited from just below his Adam's apple.

It began tumbling as it exited and if JBC, sitting in front of JFK, was positioned so that his right armpit was at least 4 inches left of JFK’s midline, it entered JBC's back near his right armpit traveling almost sideways making an elongated entrance wound (if Dr. Shaw was wrong in describing the wound as elliptical in shape and was a small tunnelling wound in the underlying tissue). It exited JBC's chest just below his right nipple, taking out a section of rib and continued tumbling. It struck JBC's right wrist traveling almost backward, depositing small lead fragments from lead core which was exposed at the base of the bullet. From there, if the laws of physics were momentarily suspended and instead of deflecting away from the point of contact with the radius the whole bullet continued through the wrist making a small, initially unnoticed transverse slit in the volar side, it made a shallow penetration into JBC's left thigh before working it's way out and was discovered at Parkland Hospital on a gurney.

No if, ands, or buts needed.

… so long as everyone knows that you are assuming all that evidence to be wrong…

[John Corbett]

Seriously? You NOW have this Magic Bullet traveling, "....almost backward"? These are the contortions this bullet is now making? This is right in line with expanding the extended firing time for the 3 shots from 6+ seconds to now 10+ seconds. This "story" continues changing and only getting more and more ludicrous.

Yes, it was traveling backward because that is the only way the lead core could have struck JBC's wrist and deposited the lead fragments there. That is also the only way the base gets flattened as opposed to the nose.

Ballistic gel tests show that a Carcano bullet will start tumbling after exiting from soft tissue which is all CE399 did when it passed through JFK's torso.

[Dan O'meara]

A whole lot of ifs there. I counted five but I might have missed one or two.

Here's what really happened with no ifs:

CE399 was the second bullet Oswald fired at JFK. It struck high on JFK's back about two inches right of his spine and exited from just below his Adam's apple. It began tumbling as it exited and entered JBC's back near his right armpit traveling almost sideways making an elongated entrance wound. It exited JBC's chest just below his right nipple, taking out a section of rib and continued tumbling. It struck JBC's right wrist traveling almost backward, depositing small lead fragments from lead core which was exposed at the base of the bullet. From there, it made a shallow penetration into JBC's left thigh before working it's way out and was discovered at Parkland Hospital on a gurney.

No if, ands, or buts needed.

How could the bullet "tumbling" [ ] and leave such a small hole in JBC's jacket?
This small hole is indicative of a non-rotating bullet.

If the bullet was rotating, how could it enter both his wrist and his leg backwards?

Why is there zero evidence of a bullet hole in JBC's wristbone? The bone shattered but there was no hole through which a bullet could pass, rotating or not.

[John Corbett]

You have “ifs” too. You just don’t acknowledge them.  You will notice that all my “ifs” relate to evidence being true.  All your “ifs relate to evidence being false.…. but with your implicit “ifs” stated:

If the 45+ witnesses for the 1……2…3 shot pattern were wrong and if the 23+ witnesses who said JFK did not smile and wave after the first shot but acted like he was hit by it were wrong, and if the 20+ witnesses who put the first shot time after z180 were all wrong and the first shot missed the entire car so that CE399 was the second bullet Oswald fired at JFK, it struck high on JFK's back about two inches right of his spine and exited from just below his Adam's apple.

That isn't an "if".

It began tumbling as it exited and if JBC, sitting in front of JFK, was positioned so that his right armpit was at least 4 inches left of JFK’s midline, it entered JBC's back near his right armpit traveling almost sideways making an elongated entrance wound (if Dr. Shaw was wrong in describing the wound as elliptical in shape and was a small tunnelling wound in the underlying tissue). It exited JBC's chest just below his right nipple, taking out a section of rib and continued tumbling. It struck JBC's right wrist traveling almost backward, depositing small lead fragments from lead core which was exposed at the base of the bullet. From there, if the laws of physics were momentarily suspended and instead of deflecting away from the point of contact with the radius the whole bullet continued through the wrist making a small, initially unnoticed transverse slit in the volar side, it made a shallow penetration into JBC's left thigh before working it's way out and was discovered at Parkland Hospital on a gurney.
… so long as everyone knows that you are assuming all that evidence to be wrong…

None of the above "ifs" are mine. You inserted them.