William Niedernut and Low Follies at Education Forum-JFKA

[Michael T. Griffith]

MTG:

Verily, Mossad perped the JFKA. Even Jeff Morley dog-whistled as much of Tucker Carlson's show.

I know. It's just crazy. And embarrassing.

Something ugly is happening on America's left-wing. You see Hasan Piker. The justifications for murdering healthcare industry executives, or Charlie Kirk.

I agree that elements of America's left wing are becoming deranged and extreme. No doubt about it. I think this is also happening to elements of America's right wing, though not to the degree that it's happening to the left wing.

The IRGC gets a pass; no one cares about 40k slaughtered in the streets of Iran.

Indeed. The radical left also gives a pass to Hamas and Hezbollah, ignoring the thousands of people they have murdered (and not just Israelis but also some Muslims who've refused to support jihad).

The exoneration and valorization of Sirhan Sirhan, and the accusations against Mossad, in the RFKA and JFKA.

I, too, reject as absurd the accusations against the Mossad, but I don't believe that Sirhan killed RFK. He was never in position to fire from point-blank range into the back of RFK's head. Acoustical evidence shows that more shots were fired in the pantry than Sirhan's gun could have fired. However, I do not view Sirhan as a noble figure by any means. At the time, he was virulently anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic.

[John Corbett]

I, too, reject as absurd the accusations against the Mossad, but I don't believe that Sirhan killed RFK. He was never in position to fire from point-blank range into the back of RFK's head.

Do RFK CTs ever ask themselves one simple question. Did the eyewitnesses who said Sirhan was never close enough to fire a point-blank shot into the back of RFK's head see another gunman in position to fire a point-blank shot into the back of RFK's head? If the answer to that question is "no", then it follows that those witnesses did not see the shot that was fired point-blank into the back of RFK's head. So how do those witnesses establish that it was NOT Sirhan who fired that shot if they did not see that shot fired?

[Benjamin Cole]

MTG-

As usual, in chaotic situations, there are eyewitnesses and other eyewitnesses.

However, three eyewitnesses place Sirhan close enough to RFK for the fatal shot, and Coroner Noguchi's estimates of the gunshot distance are only that, estimates.

Sirhan said that RFK turned suddenly away when he (Sirhan) put his gun towards RFK's face. So that explains the shot to the rear of RFK's head.

In addition, witnesses described all gun shot reports as the same in pitch and volume---in other words, all shots sounded as if they were the same, from Sirhan's .22 or an identical .22.

This tends to rule out the idea that RFK was shot from behind by security guard Eugene Thane Cesar, who was armed with a .38. BTW, Cesar's connections to the "Deep State" are non-existent.

That said, Larry Hancock and John Hunt did careful work (see Hunt's book), and concluded that more than eight shots were fired that night in the Ambassador.

It is risible Sirhan was hypnotized, although he may have been deranged, and put himself into a state or stupor.

Sirhan was a loveless, nearly penniless, diminutive, baleful anti-Semitic crackpot, who murdered RFK for the Senator's support of Israel, and said so many times.

I open to the idea Sirhan's brother, a Palestinian extremist who bought the .22 handgun for Sirhan, could have also fired some shots that night. There were many reports of someone who looked a lot like Sirhan at the Ambassador.

The LA DA wanted a prosecutable case, and went with the LN narrative.

[John Corbett]

MTG-

As usual, in chaotic situations, there are eyewitnesses and other eyewitnesses.

However, three eyewitnesses place Sirhan close enough to RFK for the fatal shot, and Coroner Noguchi's estimates of the gunshot distance are only that, estimates.

Sirhan said that RFK turned suddenly away when he (Sirhan) put his gun towards RFK's face. So that explains the shot to the rear of RFK's head.

In addition, witnesses described all gun shot reports as the same in pitch and volume---in other words, all shots sounded as if they were the same, from Sirhan's .22 or an identical .22.

This tends to rule out the idea that RFK was shot from behind by security guard Eugene Thane Cesar, who was armed with a .38. BTW, Cesar's connections to the "Deep State" are non-existent.

That said, Larry Hancock and John Hunt did careful work (see Hunt's book), and concluded that more than eight shots were fired that night in the Ambassador.

It is risible Sirhan was hypnotized, although he may have been deranged, and put himself into a state or stupor.

Sirhan was a loveless, nearly penniless, diminutive, baleful anti-Semitic crackpot, who murdered RFK for the Senator's support of Israel, and said so many times.

I open to the idea Sirhan's brother, a Palestinian extremist who bought the .22 handgun for Sirhan, could have also fired some shots that night. There were many reports of someone who looked a lot like Sirhan at the Ambassador.

The LA DA wanted a prosecutable case, and went with the LN narrative.

As is the case in the JFKA, the evidence for a second gunman in the RFKA is practically non-existent.

[Lance Payette]

That said, Larry Hancock and John Hunt did careful work (see Hunt's book), and concluded that more than eight shots were fired that night in the Ambassador.

Which tells you, or should tell you, more about Larry than RFK. I think because he's dull and genial, he gets cut a lot of slack. IMHO, he's really just John Newman 2.0, or perhaps vice-versa - "Look at all these documents, and names and acronyms! This is serious research!" When you see conspiracies everywhere you look, you work has to be viewed with skepticism. Do the work and then run it past a peer-review committee of serious historians; it NEVER happens, and to top it off they either self-publish or end up with a publisher like Trine Day (which rejected my blockbuster "Ruth Paine Was a Black Man!" - I could hardly believe it, but apparently they do have some minimal standards).

[Benjamin Cole]

LP-

Well, it is a bit turgid, but you can read Hunt's book, Buried in Plain Site: One Man's Search for Truth in the Murder of RFK.

I will say it appears there were more bullet holes and injuries than eight bullets could explain. Even FBI guys said they saw unexplained bullet holes in Ambassador pantry woodwork---woodwork the LAPD later destroyed.

Why would Sirhan's older brother buy him a handgun? And preach Middle East radicalism to him?

No one has ever suggested the Sirhans felt threatened in their home or in the Pasadena-Los Angeles area.

One deduction is the handgun was purchased with a use in mind.

I respect Larry Hancock's work. BTW, like you he is a UFO-fan. I am not.

[Michael T. Griffith]

For everyone's information, Dr. David Mantik has just posted a reply in Hofeling's JFKA research email chain debunking the 9/11 Truther nuttiness with DNA evidence. Here is part of what Dr. Mantik says,

Through innovative DNA-mapping techniques, assistance from the FBI's crime lab, and some dumb luck, scientists have now identified four of the ten New York hijackers. The remains of all five hijackers from the Pentagon (AA #77) and all four hijackers from the Pennsylvania crash sites (UA #93) have been scientifically confirmed;[3] six other hijackers (all from New York) remain unidentified.[4]

Flesh or bone fragments from 13 of the 19 terrorists have now been identified[5]—from the jets into New York, Shanksville, and the Pentagon.

THEREFORE: planes did crash at Shanksville, at the World Trade Center, and at the Pentagon—and at least 13 hijackers (total) were aboard.

I'll be curious to see how the 9/11 Truthers in the email chain respond to this scientific evidence. I'm guessing they'll say it has all been faked--yeah, multiple labs and numerous scientists and technicians involved, but it has all been faked. Again, I'm just guessing. If they don't posit fakery, perhaps they will say the intel guys killed the terrorists ahead of time and then planted their remains at the crash sites.

I'm a huge fan of Occam's Razor, and it screams against the nutty 9/11 Truther theories.