Why are so many Trump supporters attracted to the JFKA?

[John Corbett]

I suspect Hitler, Mussolini, Putin, Ayn Rand and you would say "Nein!"

None of them were German.

What else would you like to add?

Mandatory sterilization -- or even better -- euthanasia?

You're referring to Southern Democrats, especially during "Reconstruction."

Gasp . . . were they in Queens in 1927, too?

Probably.

https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/2024/08/1920s-new-york-ku-klux-klan/

How so, Adolf I mean Benito I mean Vladimir I mean John?

In 2024 the Democrats were comparing Trump's Madison Square Garden rally to a Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden in 1939, even though they weren't even in the same building. Your reply exhibits the same sort of double standards the left is known for. It's OK for them to bring up things from long ago but not OK for those on the right to do the same.

"One rule for thee and another for me" is the motto of the modern political left.

[Lance Payette]

Well, that was all certainly predictable.

Can we get back now to whether Oswald could drive, or maybe what Tippit was doing at Top Ten Records?

How about a little better Billy Meier UFO to get things back on track?

[Steve Barber]

Dear Steve,

I never have liked traitors and conmen very much.

-- Tom

PS It's interesting how a thread like this brings his zombified supporters out of the woodwork.

  But why here-in this forum-start a thread completely off topic of the JFKA and unrelated to this forum, just to insult people who may support President Trump by calling them "MAGATs" and "zombified supporters"?  This is totally unnecessary and uncalled for.

   

[Tom Graves]

None of them were German.

Poetic license, Herr Corbett.

Probably.

Probably what?

Mandatory sterilization and euthanasia for Dems, or Fred was probably a Southern Democrat in NYC?

In 2024 the Democrats were comparing Trump's Madison Square Garden rally to a Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden in 1939, even though they weren't even in the same building.

Do all fascistic rallies have to be held in the same building to be considered fascistic?

[John Corbett]

Well, that was all certainly predictable.

Can we get back now to whether Oswald could drive, or maybe what Tippit was doing at Top Ten Records?

Why does that matter?

How about a little better Billy Meier UFO to get things back on track?

It reminds me of a photo that appeared in the now defunct Columbus Citizen-Journal back in the 1970s during another wave of UFO sightings. The photographer had tossed the cap of a roll of film into the air and photographed it against the Columbus skyline to show how easy it was to fake these photos, even before the days of AI. Does anybody ever stop to wonder why all these UFOs seem to be a different make and model. Have the space aliens sent an entire armada of spaceships to the Third Rock from the Sun?

[Lance Payette]

  But why here-in this forum-start a thread completely off topic of the JFKA and unrelated to this forum, just to insult people who may support President Trump by calling them "MAGATs" and "zombified supporters"?  This is totally unnecessary and uncalled for.

The explanation, of course, is that there is a species of JFKA fanatic for whom the only real significance of the JFKA is as part-and-parcel of Everything Wrong With the Country Today. The JFKA is just a launching pad for political rants. Anyone who doesn't share these folks' politics is, ipso facto, clueless about the JFKA. The person to whom your post is addressed is in the grip of a mania that passed rationality long ago, Trump Derangement Syndrome on steroids with whipped cream and a cherry on top; he actually thinks he is performing some public service - although why he thinks an obscure JFKA forum is the place to do it is a kind of a mystery. The Ignore feature is certainly one solution that I freely employ.

I have been blessed, or cursed as the case may be, to be almost entirely inward-focused all my life. My avatar Alfred E. Neuman ("What? Me worry?") is an apt one. I honestly don't care squat about most hot-button issues, partly because there is no solution and often no middle ground anyway. As a badly flawed human being and erratic political leader of any stripe, The Donald is indeed extreme and kind of frightening. As someone as unqualified for the Presidency as it would have been humanly possible to be, Kamala was indeed kind of frightening. Americans seem to have a strange capacity for nominating and electing people you wouldm't want running a Der Wienerschnitzel if you owned it, but what's it really got to do with me and my daily life? Not enough to get as excited as and carry around as much anger as many people now seem to do. I have to blame it mostly on the rise of the internet and the echo-chamber effect of people immersing themselves in little universes where everyone is constantly excited and angry about everything. It's almost like people today feel OBLIGATED to be constantly excited and angry.

[Lance Payette]

Oh, good, we're back on track!

Why does that matter?

Well, because if Oswald actually could drive, then this part of LN dogma is incorrect and new possibilities are opened up. If Tippit was actually doing some of the odd things he has been reported as doing, then this opens up the possibility that the encounter with Oswald was less routine than LN dogma would have us believe.

Even if one wants to confine all JFKA discussion strictly to the events of November 21-24, there are mysterious aspects that are hard to explain and that at least suggest the LN dogma may not be the full story. You apparently are satisfied it is the full story and that anyone who disagrees with you is credulous if not stupid. Even though I pretty much accept the LN narrative, there are aspects that leave me scratching my head and wondering if the LN narrative is the full story. At this point, thanks to Jack Ruby and an agenda-driven WC, all we likely ever will have is speculation - but there is the possibility some new kernel of actual evidence will come to light.

Oswald's preternatural calm in the encounter with Baker ... his calm and cockiness in the legendary Fritz's attempts to break him ... his insistence he didn't kill anybody ... his telling Robert "don't believe the so-called evidence." Just this is enough in itself to give me pause as to what was actually going on. Unlike so many, I don't have any psychological or emotional need for the LN narrative to be correct or for the case to be closed.

It reminds me of a photo that appeared in the now defunct Columbus Citizen-Journal back in the 1970s during another wave of UFO sightings. The photographer had tossed the cap of a roll of film into the air and photographed it against the Columbus skyline to show how easy it was to fake these photos, even before the days of AI. Does anybody ever stop to wonder why all these UFOs seem to be a different make and model. Have the space aliens sent an entire armada of spaceships to the Third Rock from the Sun?

Every area of weirdness, including religion, is plagued with hoaxers and fraudsters. Typically, however, they are eventually exposed. I am guessing the photo in the Columbus Citizen-Journal didn't fool any serious ufologist for very long, The level of photographic analysis to which the most credible UFO photos have been subjected might astonish you. The late Bruce Maccabee was an optical physicist employed by the Navy, and he was not easily fooled - nor was he alone. A serious analysis of a UFO incident or photo makes for tedious reading, even for me.

UFOs do not all seem to "a different make and model." For starters, we don't know that they are a make and model of ANY nuts-and-bolts craft; we don't know what they are at all. Perhaps they are holograms or simulations. The fact is, dating back to ancient history the disk shape has predominated, to the extent that Carl Jung speculated that this was an archetype originating in the collective human unconscious (Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Sky).

FWIW, this photo - from British Columbia in 1981 - and the circumstances in which it was caught on film make it one of the most credible of unexplained UFO photos (and there are many such photos). It and the photographer have withstood all analysis. See http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case241.htm (summary), https://www.nicap.org/reports/811008vancouver-isle_jse_01_2_haines.pdf (analysis in the Journal of Scientific Exploration).

The photographer, Hannah McRoberts, was on a family outing; the UFO photo negative was surrounded by family outing-type photos; and Hannah was "the niece of one of Canada's leading nuclear engineers, a man in charge of a multi-billion dollar electrical generating complex."