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Offline Jack Trojan

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Where did the head shot come from?
« on: March 23, 2018, 06:13:01 AM »
So...the CTs contend that the Parkland medicos observed a "fist sized" hole in the back of JFK's head due to a blow out from a frontal shot. Strange post-mortem surgery suggests the entry wound was on JFK's right high forehead. So...if this was a shot from the front and NOT from the TSBD, then this was a conspiracy. So...based on where the limo was on Elm at frame 312 as the bullet entered JFK's head, the bullet's trajectory must have been as follows:




Assuming the shot came from the front/overpass and this was a turkey shoot.
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Where did the head shot come from?
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Re: Where did the head shot come from?
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2018, 02:45:37 PM »
A few problems with that. On the triple underpass were two Dallas police officers. Officers J. W. Foster and J. C. White, along with 8 or 9 workers, including Skinny Holland. None of them reported a gunman being there or hearing any shots from there. When you look at the medical evidence it does not support a shot from there. The entrance wound on the back of the president's head showed beveling on the inside surface of the skull indicating the direction of the bullet. A portion of the right temporal region of the skull showed beveling on the outside surface indicating direction of the bullet. Before a bunch of the CTers get on here and say, "all of the doctors claimed a big hole in the back of the president's head" that is just not true. All of them did not claim that. That all started with Groden and Livingstone. A good example is Dr. Marion "Pepper" Jenkins who was the anestheiologist and was the closest doctor to the president's head. Jenkins never claimed a hole in the back of the president's head. Dr. Kemp Clark examined the head wound and never said it. 
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Re: Where did the head shot come from?
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So...the CTs contend that the Parkland medicos observed a "fist sized" hole in the back of JFK's head due to a blow out from a frontal shot. Strange post-mortem surgery suggests the entry wound was on JFK's right high forehead. So...if this was a shot from the front and NOT from the TSBD, then this was a conspiracy. So...based on where the limo was on Elm at frame 312 as the bullet entered JFK's head, the bullet's trajectory must have been as follows:




Assuming the shot came from the front/overpass and this was a turkey shoot.

Aha... a Lady Bird, a turkey, and a sitting duck.

Ze plot thickens, Inspector Clouseau..
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Aha... a Lady Bird, a turkey, and a sitting duck.

Ze plot thickens, Inspector Clouseau..


Ze plot thickens, Inspector Clouseau..

I see you have real professionals on your side  8)

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Re: Where did the head shot come from?
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2018, 03:31:08 PM »
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The entrance wound on the back of the president's head showed beveling on the inside surface of the skull indicating the direction of the bullet.

Sherri Fiester, Certified Senior Crime Scene Investigator and law enforcement instructor on beveling:

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Beveling

Bullets traveling through bone create marginal conical shaped fractures adjacent to the entry or exit site. The conical beveling characteristically appears as a symmetrical chipping out of bone forming an indentation surrounding the entry or exit point on the opposite side of impact. The small end of the cone touches the interior or exterior bone table from which the bullet entered. Tangential gunshot wounds to the head create elliptically shaped defects containing both internal and external beveling (Levy, 2012).

Some wounds present both internal and external beveling. Researchers attribute this pseudo-beveling in high velocity distance shots to the transference of kinetic energy to the skull as dislodged chips flaking off entry wound edges, producing the effect of beveling. Without careful examination, misinterpretation of an entrance wound as an exit wound is possible in all types of entries (Quatrehomme, 1998, Coe, 1981; Prahlow, 2010; Adams, 2010).

Based upon current forensic research, it appears beveling cannot provide conclusive evidence of projectile direction. Incorrect assessment of direction can occur with tangential entries or exits, mistaken orientation, insufficient beveling, or the failure to recognize external beveling on entry wounds.
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Re: Where did the head shot come from?
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2018, 03:49:46 PM »
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A few problems with that. On the triple underpass were two Dallas police officers. Officers J. W. Foster and J. C. White, along with 8 or 9 workers, including Skinny Holland. None of them reported a gunman being there or hearing any shots from there. When you look at the medical evidence it does not support a shot from there. The entrance wound on the back of the president's head showed beveling on the inside surface of the skull indicating the direction of the bullet. A portion of the right temporal region of the skull showed beveling on the outside surface indicating direction of the bullet. Before a bunch of the CTers get on here and say, "all of the doctors claimed a big hole in the back of the president's head" that is just not true. All of them did not claim that. That all started with Groden and Livingstone. A good example is Dr. Marion "Pepper" Jenkins who was the anestheiologist and was the closest doctor to the president's head. Jenkins never claimed a hole in the back of the president's head. Dr. Kemp Clark examined the head wound and never said it.

Although the photos taken at the autopsy of the beveling in the skull bone at the fatal wound don't exist

in the archives, Drs Humes, Boswell and Finck went to their graves adamant about the EOP location. They

held JFK's skull in their hands. The WC agreed with their conclusion.

The Clark Panel found on an autopsy x-ray a trail of metal particles high on JFK's skull. 4 inches above

the EOP fatal wound entrance. Apparently from the path of a disintegrating projectile. That panel

concluded there was a wound to JFK's skull 4 inches above the official WC EOP entrance.

Official government acknowledgment of evidence of at least 2 wounds to JFK's skull.

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Re: Where did the head shot come from?
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2018, 04:00:50 PM »
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Although the photos taken at the autopsy of the beveling in the skull bone at the fatal wound don't exist

in the archives, Drs Humes, Boswell and Finck went to their graves adamant about the EOP location. They

held JFK's skull in their hands. The WC agreed with their conclusion.

The Clark Panel found on an autopsy x-ray a trail of metal particles high on JFK's skull. 4 inches above

the EOP fatal wound entrance. Apparently from the path of a disintegrating projectile. That panel

concluded there was a wound to JFK's skull 4 inches above the official WC EOP entrance.

Official government acknowledgment of evidence of at least 2 wounds to JFK's skull.

The question here is not what I posted Gary it is "where did the head shot come from" I don't think it came from the front. I think it came from the back. 

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Sherri Fiester, Certified Senior Crime Scene Investigator and law enforcement instructor on beveling:

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Beveling

Bullets traveling through bone create marginal conical shaped fractures adjacent to the entry or exit site. The conical beveling characteristically appears as a symmetrical chipping out of bone forming an indentation surrounding the entry or exit point on the opposite side of impact. The small end of the cone touches the interior or exterior bone table from which the bullet entered. Tangential gunshot wounds to the head create elliptically shaped defects containing both internal and external beveling (Levy, 2012).

Some wounds present both internal and external beveling. Researchers attribute this pseudo-beveling in high velocity distance shots to the transference of kinetic energy to the skull as dislodged chips flaking off entry wound edges, producing the effect of beveling. Without careful examination, misinterpretation of an entrance wound as an exit wound is possible in all types of entries (Quatrehomme, 1998, Coe, 1981; Prahlow, 2010; Adams, 2010).

Based upon current forensic research, it appears beveling cannot provide conclusive evidence of projectile direction. Incorrect assessment of direction can occur with tangential entries or exits, mistaken orientation, insufficient beveling, or the failure to recognize external beveling on entry wounds.
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I will believe the autopsy report and the doctors that performed it. I did not ask the question John. Jack did. Why don't you answer it.

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The question here is not what I posted Gary it is "where did the head shot come from" I don't think it came from the front. I think it came from the back.

"where did the head shot come from"

should be "where did the head shots come from?"



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Re: Where did the head shot come from?
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"where did the head shot come from"

should be "where did the head shots come from?"

should be "where did the head shots come from?"


So, do you have any opinions on that?

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