Was Oswald a "dangle" in a planned-to-fail mole hunt run by a mole?

[Benjamin Cole]

TG--

"Regardless, if my theory is correct, only Solie and maybe two other probable moles in the CIA -- Leonard V. McCoy and George Kisevalter -- knew that the mole hunt was planned to fail.

The few other people who knew that 'Oswald was on a mission for the CIA' (like Angleton and Snyder) thought it was a regular, planned-to-succeed, mole hunt."--TG

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OK, so in your conspiracy theory, KGB mole Solie conspired with LHO, to send him to Russia. Likely there was a cut-out between LHO and Solie, meaning am unidentified third co-conspirator.

State Dep't man Snyder, after the JFKA, knew that he had cooperated with a CIA plan to plant LHO in Russia, meaning that LHO was a CIA asset, but Snyder stayed mute for life.

Snyder went to his grave hiding the fact that (as far as he knew) a CIA asset, even if a former asset or onetime CIA asset, had murdered JFK. That is interesting. 

Angleton likewise.

Leonard V. McCoy and George Kisevalter are maybes, and likely KGB moles anyway, and can expected to lie.

That is an interesting and plausible conspiracy theory you have limned.

I do not know enough about Snyder to know if he could stay silent, post-JFKA. He sure had a story to tell.

[Tom Graves]

In your theory, KGB mole Solie conspired with LHO to send him to Russia.

In my theory, Solie did not conspire with naive Lee Harvey "I Wanna Be The Guy Who Led Four Lives" Oswald to send him to Russia.

[Benjamin Cole]

OK in your CT, explain the interactions and connections between LHO and Solie.

Was there a cut-out?

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In his 2022 book, Uncovering Popov's Mole, researcher and former military intelligence officer John Newman presents a significant, revised thesis regarding the connections between CIA Office of Security manager Bruce Solie and Lee Harvey Oswald. Newman argues that Bruce Solie—long considered a trusted, senior mole-hunter under James Angleton—was actually the KGB "mole" within the CIA that Angleton was searching for.
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Newman’s central claims regarding the connection include:
Solie as the "Handler" or Architect: Newman argues that Solie, acting as a KGB mole, was the "diabolical mind" who manipulated the Oswald case behind the scenes, effectively directing Oswald's, or influencing his, actions.
The Moscow "Dangle": Newman posits that Solie orchestrated or engineered Lee Harvey Oswald's 1959 trip to Moscow. He suggests Oswald was sent as a "dangle"—a false defector or bait in a complex game of intelligence—designed to fail and to misdirect CIA investigations.
Duping James Angleton: According to Newman, Solie did not just operate independently but likely duped his superior, CIA Counterintelligence Chief James Angleton, into handling the Oswald case in a way that protected the mole's (Solie's) true activities.
Reversal of Previous Theory: This view marks a major shift from Newman's earlier work (such as the 2008 edition of Oswald and the CIA), where he previously focused on Angleton himself as the potential mastermind of the deception surrounding Oswald.

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This is all a fascinating narrative...but what is the connection between LHO, a regular Marine, and Solie, high on CIA's HQ in Langley?

How did Solie "engineer or orchestrate" LHO into Russia? That seems like quite a trick.

In this CT, Solie instigated LHO's trip, and provided him with instructions re Helsinki (but how, through a cut-out?), and then to pass through Snyder...Snyder, who kept mum to his grave about his knowledge of Solie-LHO nexus.

That is a quite a tale! And were there any other plotters involved?

[Tom Graves]

OK in your CT, explain the interactions and connections between LHO and Solie.

Was there a cut-out?

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In his 2022 book, Uncovering Popov's Mole, researcher and former military intelligence officer John Newman presents a significant, revised thesis regarding the connections between CIA Office of Security manager Bruce Solie and Lee Harvey Oswald. Newman argues that Bruce Solie—long considered a trusted, senior mole-hunter under [sic] James Angleton—was actually the KGB "mole" within the CIA that Angleton was searching for.

Wikipedia

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Newman’s central claims regarding the connection include:

Solie as the "Handler" or Architect:

Newman argues that Solie, acting as a KGB mole, was the "diabolical mind" who manipulated the Oswald case behind the scenes, effectively directing Oswald's, or influencing his, actions.

The Moscow "Dangle":

Newman posits that Solie orchestrated or engineered Lee Harvey Oswald's 1959 trip to Moscow. He suggests Oswald was sent as a "dangle"—a false defector or bait in a complex game of intelligence—designed to fail and to misdirect CIA investigations.

Duping James Angleton:

According to Newman, Solie did not just operate independently but likely duped his superior, CIA Counterintelligence Chief James Angleton, into handling the Oswald case in a way that protected the mole's (Solie's) true activities.

Reversal of Previous Theory:

This view marks a major shift from Newman's earlier work (such as the 2008 edition of Oswald and the CIA), where he previously focused on Angleton himself as the potential mastermind of the deception surrounding Oswald.

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This is all a fascinating narrative...but what is the connection between LHO, a regular Marine, and Solie, high on CIA's HQ in Langley?

How did Solie "engineer or orchestrate" LHO into Russia? That seems like quite a trick.

In this CT, Solie instigated LHO's trip, and provided him with instructions re Helsinki (but how, through a cut-out?), and then to pass through Snyder...Snyder, who kept mum to his grave about his knowledge of Solie-LHO nexus.

That is a quite a tale! And were there any other plotters involved?

Note: Your AI source or Wikipedia is wrong.

Solie didn't work under Angleton.

If anything, it was the other way around.

Regardless, I don't know the answers to all of your questions, nor do I know which songs Oswald and "stupid, uneducated, anti-Communist" Marina danced to at the shindig that her MVD Colonel uncle urged her to attend.

Let me know when you've got it all figured out.

I'll be waiting with bated breath.

And while you're at it, please find out why someone with the authority to do so arranged with the Office of Mail Logistics and the Records Integration Division for all of the incoming non-CIA cables about Oswald's upcoming defection to be routed to the Office of Security's mole-hunting Security Research Staff (where Solie was Deputy Chief) instead of where they would normally go -- the Soviet Russia Division -- and why the most startling of those cables, i.e., those mentioning that he'd threatened to tell the Soviets everything he knew about Marine Corps radar "and something of special interest," disappeared into a "black hole" there until after the assassination of JFK.

Oh, and while you're at it, please explain to me why so many "marked card"-like misstatements were embedded in the CIA and FBI documents about Oswald and his defection if not to constitute a hunt for "Popov's U-2 Mole" / "Popov's Mole" in the aforementioned Soviet Russia Division.

Rhetorical question: Can we see the hand(s) of probable moles Bruce Leonard Solie (the CIA's primary mole hunter and Angleton's confidant, mentor, and mole-hunting superior) and Leonard V. McCoy (a high-level Soviet Russia Division Reports and Requirements officer) at work here?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=48692#relPageId=3

Thanks.

[Benjamin Cole]

TG--

I had that question on the tip of my tongue---someone inside the CIA Office of Mail Logistics and the Records Integration Division routed incoming non-CIA cables about Oswald's upcoming defection to the Office of Security's mole-hunting Security Research Staff (where Solie was Deputy Chief) instead of where they would normally go -- the Soviet Russia Division.

That would indicate there was yet another CIA'er, who, at least after the JFKA, would have questions about Solie was up to. Like Snyder, they never said anything.

I think you have limned a fascinating CT, and it is plausible.

I accept that CIA may have been riddled with KGB assets in the 1950-60s, and Solie may have sent LHO to Russia somehow. He would have needed a cut-out.

I would even go further---LHO visited the KGB down in MC, was in contact with G2 in New Orleans, and G2 penetrated Alpha 66 on Harlandale in Dallas, where one eyewitness said they saw LHO.

Two months before the JFKA, Castro said the Kennedys could be the targets of assassination attempts too. 

State Dep'ters had careers deep-sixed for even asking about LHO-Cuban commie ties. 

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

[Tom Graves]

That would indicate there was yet another CIA officer who, at least after the JFKA, would have questions about what Solie was up to.

Not if Solie did the arranging with the OML and the RID, himself.

Solie may have sent LHO to Russia somehow, [but] he would have needed a cut-out.

Okay. Whatever turns you on.

I would even go further---LHO visited the KGB down in MC, was in contact with G2 in New Orleans, and G2 penetrated Alpha 66 on Harlandale in Dallas, where one eyewitness said they saw LHO. Two months before the JFKA, Castro said the Kennedys could be the targets of assassination attempts too. State Department officials had careers deep-sixed for even asking about LHO-Cuban commie ties.

Ditto.

[Tom Graves]

dupe