Education Forum Moderated by Anti-Semitic Crackpot---John Simkin is Aware

[Tom Graves]

Ben Cole was notorious on the Education Forum for insisting that Donald Trump's January 6th mob attack on Congress was, in reality, a Deep State plot against Donald Trump.

Dear Dr. Bill,

If true, then Ben's just as wrong as you and the other "useful idiots" at the so-called JFK Assassination Debate - Education Forum who preach that a different kind "Deep State" (the evil, evil "Military Industrial Intelligence-Community Complex") killed JFK.

-- Tom

PS "Useful idiots" -- it's an old KGB expression.

[Dr. William Niederhut]

So far Ben Cole, John Mytton, et.al., get an "F" in 9/11 Science 101.

I'll ask again.

What liquefied the steel girders of the Twin Towers?

[Benjamin Cole]

Dr Bill "The Quack" Niederhut:

This is not a serious conversation.

See:

Based on investigations, a glowing liquid was seen pouring from the South Tower (WTC 2) before its collapse, but the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) concluded it was molten aluminum from the plane, not steel. NIST found no evidence that steel melted in the jet-fuel fires prior to the towers' collapse.

National Institute of Standards and Technology (.gov)

National Institute of Standards and Technology (.gov)
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Glowing Liquid Flow: A bright, glowing liquid was observed pouring from a window on the 80th floor of WTC 2 around 9:52 a.m. for about four seconds.

Molten Aluminum Theory: NIST identified this substance as molten aluminum from the aircraft's components (which melts at a much lower temperature).

No Evidence of Molten Steel: Investigations by NIST, the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE), and the Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEONY) found no evidence of molten steel in the debris before the collapse.

Steel Weakening: While the fire did not melt the steel, it was hot enough to severely weaken it, losing about 50% of its strength at, contributing to the structural failure.

National Institute of Standards and Technology (.gov)
National Institute of Standards and Technology (.gov)
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Mossad had nothing to do with the Islamo-fascist attack on the WTC, which started inside Saudi Arabia and in the bin Laden family. The bin Ladens were friends with President George W. Bush, and a number of prominent GOP'ers (none Jewish, AFAICT), and Osama appears to have acted independently. That bin Laden-GOP connection was somewhat obscured in the official report.

Only the demented Israel Derangement Syndrome (IDS) believes the nut-ball stuff you peddle.

Try to book a spot on Tucker Carlson, or maybe Romper Room.

[John Mytton]

So far Ben Cole, John Mytton, et.al., get an "F" in 9/11 Science 101.

I'll ask again.

What liquefied the steel girders of the Twin Towers?

Hey hold on cowboy, aren't you jumping the gun and coming to an unprovable self serving conclusion?

• You haven't provided any visual proof of liquefied steel girders?
• You haven't even proven that any potential molten metal was from the steel girders?
• There is a massive photo record of the steel girders of the WTC towers, yet there is no proof of any being even partially liquefied?
• You haven't indicated where the extra energy to keep molten steel girders flowing for weeks came from?
• As 9/11 truthers constantly and rightfully remind us that jet fuel or office fires isn't enough to melt steel, sure it will weaken but not melt, but when it comes to weeks of liquified steel caused by some impossible energy source you guys have no problem making unscientific accusations! You truthers are unbelievable and the worst types of hypocrites!
• Thermite burns and consumes it's total volume withing minutes, so that isn't going to keep molten steel flowing weeks after the event.
• a possibility is there was over 45 tonnes of aluminium contained in each plane and the melting point of aluminium is low enough to be in a liquid state in the intense conditions of the rubble. Also worth considering is that a small amount of the plane passed through the building and counting what was ejected at least 40 tonnes must have remained, and also of importance is that the plane wasn't pure aluminium but an alloy which would slightly impact the melting point.



Out of the tons and tons and tons of recovered steel girders, there is no reported evidence or visual indication of any signs of partial melting.







JohnM

[John Mytton]

Dr Bill "The Quack" Niederhut:

This is not a serious conversation.

See:

Based on investigations, a glowing liquid was seen pouring from the South Tower (WTC 2) before its collapse, but the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) concluded it was molten aluminum from the plane, not steel. NIST found no evidence that steel melted in the jet-fuel fires prior to the towers' collapse.

National Institute of Standards and Technology (.gov)

National Institute of Standards and Technology (.gov)
 +2

Glowing Liquid Flow: A bright, glowing liquid was observed pouring from a window on the 80th floor of WTC 2 around 9:52 a.m. for about four seconds.

Molten Aluminum Theory: NIST identified this substance as molten aluminum from the aircraft's components (which melts at a much lower temperature).

No Evidence of Molten Steel: Investigations by NIST, the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE), and the Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEONY) found no evidence of molten steel in the debris before the collapse.

Steel Weakening: While the fire did not melt the steel, it was hot enough to severely weaken it, losing about 50% of its strength at, contributing to the structural failure.

National Institute of Standards and Technology (.gov)
National Institute of Standards and Technology (.gov)
[/i]

Mossad had nothing to do with the Islamo-fascist attack on the WTC, which started inside Saudi Arabia and in the bin Laden family. The bin Ladens were friends with President George W. Bush, and a number of prominent GOP'ers (none Jewish, AFAICT), and Osama appears to have acted independently. That bin Laden-GOP connection was somewhat obscured in the official report.

Only the demented Israel Derangement Syndrome (IDS) believes the nut-ball stuff you peddle.

Try to book a spot on Tucker Carlson, or maybe Romper Room.

It doesn't matter how much peer reviewed scientific evidence is presented, troothers like the clueless Niederhut will always default to illogical biased junk science that supports their political agenda. It's really pathetic.

Glowing Liquid Flow: A bright, glowing liquid was observed pouring from a window on the 80th floor of WTC 2 around 9:52 a.m. for about four seconds.

Molten Aluminum Theory: NIST identified this substance as molten aluminum from the aircraft's components (which melts at a much lower temperature).

NIST was funded by the Government and therefore the bogeyman, and even though their published findings have been analysed and approved by the accredited scientific community, troothers like our newly acquired local looney will fight these findings and rely on a handful of uneducated trooth seekers.

33. Why does NIST state that a yellow stream of molten metal seen in some photographs pouring down the side of WTC2 was aluminium from the crashed plane, even though aluminium burns with a white glow?

NIST reported (NIST NCSTAR 1-5A) that just before 9:52 a.m., a bright spot appeared at the top of a window on the 80th floor of WTC 2, four windows removed from the east edge on the north face, followed by the flow of a glowing liquid. This flow lasted approximately four seconds before subsiding. Many such liquid flows were observed from near this location in the seven minutes leading up to the collapse of this tower. There is no evidence of similar molten liquid pouring out from another location in WTC 2 or from anywhere within WTC 1.

Photographs, as well as NIST simulations of the aircraft impact, show large piles of debris in the 80th and 81st floors of WTC 2 near the site where the glowing liquid eventually appeared. Much of this debris came from the aircraft itself and from the office furnishings that the aircraft pushed forward as it tunneled to this far end of the building. Large fires developed on these piles shortly after the aircraft impact and continued to burn in the area until the tower collapsed.

NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius (900 degrees Fahrenheit) and 640 degrees Celsius (1,200 degrees Fahrenheit)—depending on the particular alloy—well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius or 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.

Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface.
https://www.nist.gov/world-trade-center-investigation/study-faqs/wtc-towers-investigation

For instance Steven Jones, King of the 9/11 Trooth movement disagreed with the previous NIST conclusion and did the experiment of melting some aluminium with partially burnt organic matter but how much and what percentage of organic matter he doesn't say, so in other words he deliberately sabotaged the experiment so as to arrive at his predetermined conclusion and thus is the antithesis of valid scientific methodology.

“NIST states the hypothesis that flowing aluminium with partially burned organic materials mixed in, “can display an orange glow.” But will it really do this? I decided to do an experiment to find out.... Of course, we saw a few burning embers, but this did not alter the silvery appearance of the flowing, falling aluminium....

“In the videos of the molten metal falling from WTC 2 just prior to its collapse, the falling liquid appears consistently orange, not just orange in spots and certainly not silvery. We conclude from all of these studies that the falling metal which poured out of WTC 2 is NOT aluminium.”
https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/high-temperature-thermitic-reactions

JohnM

[Benjamin Cole]

JM--

The ideology determines the agenda, and the agenda determines the narrative, and the narrative determines the truth---in crackpot-land.

For some (demented souls), the Mossad has emerged as the top suspect in the 60+year JFKA perp snipe hunt.

I plan a post on the kook Monika Weisak's narrative, as soon as I can find a gas mask to wear while reviewing her work. Which is about on par with the polemic lightweight Lisa Pease.

[Tommy Shanks]

This W. Niederhut guy is a total joke and his forum seems to be an even bigger one. Can you please ban him, Duncan?

[Dr. William Niederhut]

Newsflash.  I posted the incontrovertible evidence of the liquefied steel at Ground Zero on my 9/11 Science 101 thread, referenced above.

Here's the truth about MAGA Ben Cole and non-scientists on this thread.

"When the blind lead the blind, they both fall into the ditch."