Nothing seems to have changed

[Gerry Down]

   That is the car. That car is not there on the Wiegman Film. It is on the Couch and Darnell films about 20 seconds later.

Are you sure, there appears to be the windshield of a white car visible in that general area:

[Royell Storing]

Are you sure, there appears to be the windshield of a white car visible in that general area:

   What you are seeing is the windshield of a car parked on the OTHER SIDE of the Elm St Extension. The car that is Not On the Wiegman Film, but is on the Couch and Darnell Films, was parked to the (L) of that Traffic Signal Pole. At the :11 second point of the above Wiegman Film, you can see the empty surface street directly behind the people standing to the (L) of the traffic signal pole. There is NO CAR directly behind these people.

[Gerry Down]

Looking at this slowed down version of the Weigman film, there does not appear to be a car there:

Yet in this footage which shows Baker running, there is a car there and you can see its front grill:



Here is an overhead view of the car from later footage:



So what do people think, was there a car driving down the Elm street extension at the time of the shooting just like Royell Storing has claimed?

[Charles Collins]

Looking at this slowed down version of the Weigman film, there does not appear to be a car there:

Yet in this footage which shows Baker running, there is a car there and you can see its front grill:



Here is an overhead view of the car from later footage:



So what do people think, was there a car driving down the Elm street extension at the time of the shooting just like Royell Storing has claimed?

So what do people think, was there a car driving down the Elm street extension at the time of the shooting just like Royell Storing has claimed?


I think that the car is there but just mostly hidden from the camera’s view by the people standing there. Here’s a crop that shows the refraction of the light due to the glass of the windshield making the edge of the brick column look to be offset and curved (circled area).

[Royell Storing]

   The car is parked to the (L) of the Traffic Light Pole. The people that are claimed to be obstructing Wiegman from filming this car, are standing on the (R) of the Traffic Light Pole. Some of these same people are standing so far to the (R) of the traffic light pole, that they are standing in the street. They are Not even standing atop the Island. Officer Baker runs directly over/across this same Island on the Couch/Darnell films. The car can be seen on the (L) of Officer Baker as he crosses over the island. And remember, the car is 17+ Feet Long and 5 ft tall. This car occupies an extremely large amount of space. Wiegman filmed this same space as he was turning the corner. This means that space was filmed by Wiegman from many different angles. The car is simply Not there. Not yet. 

[Tom Graves]

   The car is parked to the (L) of the Signal Light Pole. The people that are claimed to be obstructing Wiegman from filming this car, are standing on the (R) of the Signal Light Pole. Some of these same people are standing so far to the (R) of the signal light pole, that they are standing in the street. They are Not even standing atop the Island. Officer Baker runs directly over/across this same Island on the Couch/Darnell films. The car can be seen on the (L) of Officer Baker as he crosses over the island. And remember, the car is 17+ Feet Long and 5 ft tall. This car occupies an extremely large amount of space. Wiegman filmed this same space as he was turning the corner. This means that space was filmed by Wiegman from many different angles. The car is simply Not there. Not yet.

From which vantage point?

[Royell Storing]

From which vantage point?

   As you are looking at the image.

[Charles Collins]

   The car is parked to the (L) of the Traffic Light Pole. The people that are claimed to be obstructing Wiegman from filming this car, are standing on the (R) of the Traffic Light Pole. Some of these same people are standing so far to the (R) of the traffic light pole, that they are standing in the street. They are Not even standing atop the Island. Officer Baker runs directly over/across this same Island on the Couch/Darnell films. The car can be seen on the (L) of Officer Baker as he crosses over the island. And remember, the car is 17+ Feet Long and 5 ft tall. This car occupies an extremely large amount of space. Wiegman filmed this same space as he was turning the corner. This means that space was filmed by Wiegman from many different angles. The car is simply Not there. Not yet.

  The car is parked to the (L) of the Traffic Light Pole.

Is this not the same car that has its windshield clearly to the right of the traffic light pole (from a similar angle to the Weigman film’s angle)?