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Offline Rob Caprio

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #680 on: September 17, 2018, 08:20:53 PM »
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Remember that it is a "strawman" argument to suggest that anyone here is alleging that Brewer's actions were nefarious or that he was part of a conspiracy.  CTers are apparently just questioning his motives to pass the time without meaning to imply anything that would require them to actually provide any proof or a narrative that makes sense of how a random shoe salesman in Dallas get recruited into the plot and how they somehow ensure that Oswald walks past his store and into TT as part of the frame up scenario.

The "strawman" is your invention. No one said that Brewer's bosses were involved in the conspiracy. No one.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #681 on: September 17, 2018, 08:21:32 PM »
Which radio station, you ask? Well, Likely  one of the stations reporting the assassination. You'll have to find out if Brewer was switching stations.

Thanks, that was useful.  In fact, nobody has presented any evidence that any radio station said that the police were looking for a cop killer.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #682 on: September 17, 2018, 08:28:44 PM »
Searching around on the internet last night I saw a reference to KLIF having broadcast the news of a Dallas police officer having been shot at 1.33pm. I tried to find more on this and found that you can actually listen to the radio broadcasts from KLIF which are recorded and preserved so listened to them from just before the news of the shots in Dealey Plaza came through.

I have, and they didn't.  We discussed this on the old forum.

https://archive.org/details/KennedyAssassination-Klif-amDallas-FridayNovember221963/01KennedyAssassination-KlifDallas-FridayNovember221963.mp3

Part 3 claims to start at 1:15 PM, and there is an announcement that a police officer was shot in Oak Cliff at about 18 minutes in.  However, at 3:26 in, the announcer says "president shot, expired at 1 PM, 48 minutes ago".  There are also several obvious edits during the course of that audio file, one for example at 8:14.

They also never mention the officer's name, or say anything about the police looking for a man who did it, or give any kind of description.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
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Offline Nicholas Turner

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #683 on: September 17, 2018, 08:41:18 PM »
You may want to attack the problem from a different angle... from the police tapes:

    Dispatcher    10-4. We have information that a suspect just went in the Texas Theater on West Jefferson.         
     79    10-4.         
     Dispatcher    Supposed to be hiding in the balcony.         
     79    10-4.         
     85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker)    85 out that way.         
     Dispatcher    10-4.

followed by:

     550/2 (Sgt. G.L. Hill)    550/2.         
     Dispatcher    550/2.         
     550/2    Do you have any additional information on this Oak Cliff suspect?         
     492 (CID)    492, out Texas Theater.         
     Dispatcher    10-4.         
     Dispatcher    They think he is at Texas Theater, 550/2.         
     508 (Crime Lab/ W.E. Barnes)    508.         
          . . . meet (?)         
     Dispatcher    85 at Texas Theater, 550/2.         
     550/2 (Sgt. G.L. Hill)    10-4.         
     Dispatcher    In the balcony.

Who tracked the suspect to the balcony and furnished that information to the dispatcher?

This was discussed earlier. I think it came from the idea that that is where people (kids) who had sneaked in before had tended to go, prior experience. I don't see it as suspicious, do you?

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #684 on: September 17, 2018, 08:44:28 PM »
Saint Patsy didn't purchase a movie ticket.

You don't know that.

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Postal's box office booth was flush with the storefronts.

That's actually false.

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Brewer saw Saint Patsy approach the theater and then disappear from view.

Brewer saw somebody (from behind about 50 yards away) approach the theater.

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Had Saint Patsy stopped in front of the booth to purchase a ticket, Brewer would have been able to see the transaction.

Or that guy never went into the theater, or that guy already had a ticket, or that guy wasn't even Oswald.

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Additionally, the box office only opened at 1:15 PM

That's a good trick, since War Is Hell started at 1:20.

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and Postal had sold a total of 14 tickets, mostly to patrons that were waiting for the office to open for the first show.

That's also a good trick since Brewer saw 15-20 patrons in there.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
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Offline Howard Gee

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #685 on: September 17, 2018, 08:56:51 PM »
Postal's testimony provides some insight on the balcony.  Does anyone have a map of the balcony to confirm where the stairs were?  Were there more than one set of stairs to the balcony? 

On the old forum someone once posted a photo taken from the inside of the theater looking out towards the street entrance.

If I recall correctly, the stairwell leading to the balcony was on the left not too far removed from the entrance.

The doorways to the ground level seats were on the right.

Not sure if there was more than one set of stairs leading to the balcony.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #686 on: September 17, 2018, 09:07:09 PM »
Cool. Lucky pick by Brewer and his buddies.

Mr. BREWER - We were listening to a transistor radio there in the store, just listening to a regular radio program, and they broke in with the bulletin that the President had been shot. And from then, that is all there was. We listened to all of the events.


Worth looking into who his buddies were?

The buddies were two unidentified "IBM men" who weren't customers but apparently just liked lounging around his shoe store  (as IBM men do) and I guess he wasn't too worried about abandoning his store with them in there.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=16235#relPageId=9&tab=page

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #686 on: September 17, 2018, 09:07:09 PM »


Offline Nicholas Turner

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #687 on: September 17, 2018, 09:19:50 PM »
The buddies were two unidentified "IBM men" who weren't customers but apparently just liked lounging around his shoe store  (as IBM men do) and I guess he wasn't too worried about abandoning his store with them in there.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=16235#relPageId=9&tab=page

An interesting read. Thanks.