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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #328 on: September 05, 2018, 04:32:10 AM »
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It's worse to have two firearms than one. Oswald could have claimed that he was taking the disassembled rifle to a gun-shop for repair. Two guns has an aura of "armed-to-the-teeth". Not a good look when the President was going to drive by the TSBD later in the day.

It's reasonable to surmise what Officer Baker would have done if he (minus Truly) encountered Oswald "moving away from him" in the 2nd floor lunchroom. Frisk the suspect for a weapon is standard Police practice. Agree?

Oswald may have declined to take the revolver to work on Friday 22 November 1963 because of the "previous day" logistics that would be necessary to do that. Taking the S&W revolver to the Paine's on Thursday afternoon meant a risk of Marina spotting the handgun and being suspicious of the reason for him carrying the weapon. You know: Walker, Nixon (the vice-president) etc.

Oswald'd past life demonstrates his shrewdness.
-- Conning Soviet officials into letting him stay in the USSR.
-- His calm though deceptive performance on Radio in New Orleans.

It's worse to have two firearms than one. Oswald could have claimed that he was taking the disassembled rifle to a gun-shop for repair. Two guns has an aura of "armed-to-the-teeth". Not a good look when the President was going to drive by the TSBD later in the day.

I don't really see the difference, to be honest. Bringing a rifle to work at a building where the President is going to pass by wouldn't look good by itself, regardless of the excuse given for it. In fact, a revolver might actually be the lesser of two evils because for shooting at the President from a building a revolver wouldn't be the best choice of weapon.


It's reasonable to surmise what Officer Baker would have done if he (minus Truly) encountered Oswald "moving away from him" in the 2nd floor lunchroom. Frisk the suspect for a weapon is standard Police practice. Agree?

Frisking a guy who has just bought a coke from a vending machine at the 2nd floor doesn't seem likely for an officer who was under the impression the shots might have come from the roof. Also, frisking would require probable cause (and there was none at the time) and would have delayed Baker on his way to the roof.... so, no, I don't think it's reasonable to surmise what Baker would have done.

Oswald may have declined to take the revolver to work on Friday 22 November 1963 because of the "previous day" logistics that would be necessary to do that. Taking the S&W revolver to the Paine's on Thursday afternoon meant a risk of Marina spotting the handgun and being suspicious of the reason for him carrying the weapon.

Point taken but not really understood. Oswald had allegedly been taking risks for nearly two months with the rifle, from the moment he supposedly gave it to Ruth Paine, wrapped in a blanket, in New Orleans when she picked up Marina. That didn't seem to bother him much and he also seems unconcerned about hiding the rifle somewhere in the TSBD (which is what he had to have done) during the entire morning with lots of people moving around in the building, so why no take a similar risk and hide the revolver there also on Thursday?


You know: Walker, Nixon (the vice-president) etc.

Sorry, no I don't know.... Not really. All I know is the official version which is mainly based on Marina's tales....


Oswald'd past life demonstrates his shrewdness.
-- Conning Soviet officials into letting him stay in the USSR.
-- His calm though deceptive performance on Radio in New Orleans.


Really?






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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #329 on: September 05, 2018, 05:40:15 AM »
Oswald'd past life demonstrates his shrewdness.
But why did he go to the movie?

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #330 on: September 05, 2018, 04:27:47 PM »
Oswald could have contemplated the possibility of being stopped from leaving the TSBD after he shot President Kennedy. If not for Truly vouching for Oswald, Officer Baker would have searched him.

How do you know that?

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It seems to me that Oswald carrying a revolver in the TSBD Friday morning would have been risky. He was shrewd enough to know that.

Let's follow this logic through though.  Wouldn't the Oswald you posit who just killed a cop with a revolver and rather deliberately ejected the shells in front of witnesses also be shrewd enough to know not to carry that same revolver into a movie theater where he was trying to hide?

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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #331 on: September 05, 2018, 04:29:56 PM »
I was conveying to Paul May my opinion; not making up a narrative to deceive. It's more honest to say "probably" than not. Perhaps you should use that "adverb" occasionally, John.

I try to only use the word "probably" for things that I have reason to believe are probable.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #332 on: September 05, 2018, 04:32:55 PM »
It's reasonable to surmise what Officer Baker would have done if he (minus Truly) encountered Oswald "moving away from him" in the 2nd floor lunchroom. Frisk the suspect for a weapon is standard Police practice. Agree?

What basis did Baker have for considering a guy buying a coke in the second floor lunchroom in the back of the building a "suspect"?

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-- His calm though deceptive performance on Radio in New Orleans.

Just curious:  what was deceptive?

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #333 on: September 05, 2018, 04:33:39 PM »
These investigative contributions are invaluable. By all means continue with this tremendously dedicated research.
 

He's a legend in his own mind.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #334 on: September 05, 2018, 04:35:35 PM »
Yep. He told Marina that morning and again the following day to buy June new shoes but didn't mention that he'd been looking at shoes for June when Brewer spotted him. It was all a misunderstanding.  :D

Yes, it's much more rational to look at a guy looking in the windows of a shoe store and think "just killed a cop".

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #335 on: September 05, 2018, 07:04:26 PM »
Yes, it's much more rational to look at a guy looking in the windows of a shoe store and think "just killed a cop".

Or to find him suspicious because of his reaction to hearing sirens approaching?