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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #168 on: March 23, 2018, 09:47:08 PM »
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You seem to be assuming that the package would have to be carried straight up.

Right.  He could have been holding it at a 45 degree angle in front of him.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #169 on: March 24, 2018, 02:08:08 AM »
But you support it, right?

Support what? That CE 399 hit JFK at the level of C6? No, I do not.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #170 on: March 24, 2018, 06:09:35 AM »
Because his shtick is that you need to prove that Oswald didn't come down the stairs.

People who accept the Warren Commission conclusions almost universally don't understand burden of proof.

Oh yeah, back to why Oswald went to the movies...

He liked movies.  And popcorn.  And there was no more work that day.

And he liked staring blankly at tennis shoes, apparently. Not interested in cop cars speeding by with sirens wailing, though. Smith, Wesson, and Lee... Dirty Harvey. That's it, it's all over now. Poor dumb cop.

People who reject every WC conclusion don't understand or accept standard of proof.


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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #171 on: March 24, 2018, 08:50:24 AM »
Fritz's account was "He stated that he left work because, in his opinion, based upon remarks of Bill Shelly, he did not believe that there was going to be anymore work that day due to the confusion in the building."

I don't know how you get from that to "he knew the president was shot".


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I don't know how you get from that to "he knew the president was shot".

Um, yeah.  Okay.

Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #172 on: March 24, 2018, 03:45:29 PM »

Um, yeah.  Okay.

Someone once said: "Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says."

I'm just quoting that of course; that doesn't mean I agree with it or anything.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #173 on: March 25, 2018, 11:13:19 PM »
And he liked staring blankly at tennis shoes, apparently. Not interested in cop cars speeding by with sirens wailing, though.

...therefore he had just shot a cop. You call that a ?standard of proof??

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #174 on: March 25, 2018, 11:18:33 PM »
Buell had good reason to suspect that he might be charged as an accessory in the assassination, given that he delivered the killer to the scene. Repeatedly assurring questioners that he didn't pay attention to the bag would arguably suggest that he wanted to bolster a position that would serve him reasonably well on the stand.

As I said ? now look who?s calling witnesses liars!

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Couple that with the statements by Buell in later years that he didn't want to spend the rest of his life being scorned. Additionally, he did move away from Dallas I think; stating that he feared for his family's safety.

Really? Where to? Is this another one of your ?recollections??

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #175 on: March 26, 2018, 04:01:20 AM »

The CHAIRMAN - Could he have had the top of it behind his shoulder, or are you sure it was cupped under his shoulder there?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes; because the way it looked, you know, like I say, he had it cupped in his hand.
The CHAIRMAN - I beg your pardon?
Mr. FRAZIER - I said from where I noticed he had it cupped in his hands. And I don't see how you could have it anywhere other than under your armpit because if you had it cupped in your hand it would stick over it.
Mr. BALL - Could he have carried it this way?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir. Never in front here. Like that. Now, that is what I was talking to you about. No, I say he couldn't because if he had you would have seen the package sticking up like that.
From what I seen walking behind he had it under his arm and you couldn't tell that he had a package from the back.

I've read Frazier's testimony numerous time but somehow what he said in that bit escaped me. He never actually saw the upper end of the package under Oswald's armpit. He just assumed that it was there. Thanks Martin.