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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #160 on: March 23, 2018, 03:27:09 AM »
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So, Lee Oswald just happened to be seen (by both Randle and Frazier) carrying a long bag/sack on the morning of the assassination, a bag totally unrelated to the rifle?

Is there any reason to think that the bag they saw was related to the rifle?

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #161 on: March 23, 2018, 03:06:21 PM »
It's a simple question, Tony.

Either Oswald was carrying a longer bag that morning or he wasn't.

Was he?

Longer than what?

Both people who saw it said it wasn't as long as CE142.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #162 on: March 23, 2018, 03:09:35 PM »
Buell and Randle contradicting WC claims would be a first step towards playing down the fact that Buell had chauffeured the prime suspect to the crime scene.

Now who's calling Frazier and Randle liars?

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Persons not seeing or hearing Dirty Harvey on the stairs only proves that they didn't see or hear Dirty Harvey on the stairs.

...and yet you think he went down the stairs, because ...?

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Persons not seeing any package in Oswald's hands only proves that they didn't see a package in Oswald's hands.

...and yet you think he brought a package into the building because...?

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #163 on: March 23, 2018, 03:33:43 PM »
So, Randle and Frazier saw Oswald with a long bag coincidentally on the same day, out of every day in the history of Oswald riding to work with Frazier, that he (Oswald) would later be the accused assassin... One hell of a coincidence.

Is this rhetoric supposed to prove that there was a rifle in the bag?

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #164 on: March 23, 2018, 03:42:24 PM »
What makes you think I have or even need that kind of documentation?

Because his shtick is that you need to prove that Oswald didn't come down the stairs.

People who accept the Warren Commission conclusions almost universally don't understand burden of proof.

Oh yeah, back to why Oswald went to the movies...

He liked movies.  And popcorn.  And there was no more work that day.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #165 on: March 23, 2018, 07:58:25 PM »
Because his shtick is that you need to prove that Oswald didn't come down the stairs.

People who accept the Warren Commission conclusions almost universally don't understand burden of proof.

Oh yeah, back to why Oswald went to the movies...

He liked movies.  And popcorn.  And there was no more work that day.

Explain how Oswald knew there was no more work that day.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #166 on: March 23, 2018, 08:58:42 PM »

You seem to be assuming that the package would have to be carried straight up.


Mr. BALL - When you saw him get out of the car, when you first saw him when he was out of the car before he started to walk, you noticed he had the package under the arm?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - One end of it was under the armpit and the other he had to hold it in his right hand. Did the package extend beyond the right hand?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir. Like I say if you put it under your armpits and put it down normal to the side.
Mr. BALL - But the right hand on, was it on the end or the side of the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - No; he had it cupped in his hand.
Mr. BALL - Cupped in his hand?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.

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The CHAIRMAN - Could he have had the top of it behind his shoulder, or are you sure it was cupped under his shoulder there?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes; because the way it looked, you know, like I say, he had it cupped in his hand.
The CHAIRMAN - I beg your pardon?
Mr. FRAZIER - I said from where I noticed he had it cupped in his hands. And I don't see how you could have it anywhere other than under your armpit because if you had it cupped in your hand it would stick over it.
Mr. BALL - Could he have carried it this way?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir. Never in front here. Like that. Now, that is what I was talking to you about. No, I say he couldn't because if he had you would have seen the package sticking up like that.
From what I seen walking behind he had it under his arm and you couldn't tell that he had a package from the back.


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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #167 on: March 23, 2018, 09:45:41 PM »
Explain how Oswald knew there was no more work that day.

Fritz's account was "He stated that he left work because, in his opinion, based upon remarks of Bill Shelly, he did not believe that there was going to be anymore work that day due to the confusion in the building."

I don't know how you get from that to "he knew the president was shot".