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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #128 on: March 22, 2018, 07:30:04 PM »
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It's the very crux of the matter when taken in context with Truly objecting to having 'innocent people' fingerprinted.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #128 on: March 22, 2018, 07:30:04 PM »


Online Richard Smith

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #129 on: March 22, 2018, 08:50:45 PM »
Circular argument -- it's the same bag because it's the same bag.

There is nothing circular about this Inspector Ding-a-Ling except your IQ.  What is the best evidence of an object's size?  Someone's estimate or measuring the object itself?  Surely a lazy contrarian, defense attorney would acknowledge that witnesses are often wrong as to details? 

So what needs to be explained if this is not Oswald's bag:  1) bad luck by Old Lee to have touched and left his prints on this particular bag (the only TSBD employee to have done so); 2) its location near the SN; 3) no bag matching Frazier's estimate ever being found; 4) Oswald himself denying he carried any bag along the size estimated by Frazier; 5) multiple DPD officers confirming the bag was found on the 6th floor; 6) no apparent work-related purpose for such a bag to be in the TSBD; 7) no one else ever coming forward who worked in the building to indicate it was their bag or who could explain its presence (50 plus years and counting).

What needs to be explained if this is Oswald's bag:  1)  Frazier was off in his estimate of its length.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #130 on: March 22, 2018, 08:57:59 PM »
There is nothing circular about this Inspector Ding-a-Ling except your IQ.  What is the best evidence of an object's size?  Someone's estimate or measuring the object itself?  Surely a lazy contrarian, defense attorney would acknowledge that witnesses are often wrong as to details? 

So what needs to be explained if this is not Oswald's bag:  1) bad luck by Old Lee to have touched and left his prints on this particular bag (the only TSBD employee to have done so); 2) its location near the SN; 3) no bag matching Frazier's estimate ever being found; 4) Oswald himself denying he carried any bag along the size estimated by Frazier; 5) multiple DPD officers confirming the bag was found on the 6th floor; 6) no apparent work-related purpose for such a bag to be in the TSBD; 7) no one else ever coming forward who worked in the building to indicate it was their bag or who could explain its presence (50 plus years and counting).

What needs to be explained if this is Oswald's bag:  1)  Frazier was off in his estimate of its length.

It's no use Richard. If Oswald were alive today and said "I did it", most of the people on here would jump up and down with their hair on fire and call him a liar and ask him, "do you have any evidence to prove it!" Truly fascinating.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #130 on: March 22, 2018, 08:57:59 PM »


Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #131 on: March 22, 2018, 09:15:55 PM »
If he does say things that contradict what he said earlier, doesn't that raise doubt about all of his later statements?

Such as?

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #132 on: March 22, 2018, 09:18:11 PM »
'If they wanted'

Are you sure people couldn't claim their right to privacy and demand to be shown 'just cause'

LOL, they didn't have to show any just cause to search, beat up, and arrest a guy in a theater for murder based on looking funny to a shoe salesman.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #132 on: March 22, 2018, 09:18:11 PM »


Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #133 on: March 22, 2018, 09:32:34 PM »
There is nothing circular about this Inspector Ding-a-Ling except your IQ.  What is the best evidence of an object's size?  Someone's estimate or measuring the object itself?

Uh, Inspector Imbecile, you haven't established that it is the object itself.  You just assumed it is.

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So what needs to be explained if this is not Oswald's bag:  1) bad luck by Old Lee to have touched and left his prints on this particular bag (the only TSBD employee to have done so); 2) its location near the SN; 3) no bag matching Frazier's estimate ever being found; 4) Oswald himself denying he carried any bag along the size estimated by Frazier; 5) multiple DPD officers confirming the bag was found on the 6th floor; 6) no apparent work-related purpose for such a bag to be in the TSBD; 7) no one else ever coming forward who worked in the building to indicate it was their bag or who could explain its presence (50 plus years and counting).

You're like a broken record.  You haven't established that any of these claims are true.  You're just assuming them as well:

"(the only TSBD employee to have done so)"
"Oswald himself denying he carried any bag along the size estimated by Frazier"
"its location near the SN"
"no apparent work-related purpose for such a bag to be in the TSBD"

And these are all still stupid "absence of evidence equals evidence of absence" arguments that you keep trotting out over and over again:

"no bag matching Frazier's estimate ever being found"
"no one else ever coming forward who worked in the building to indicate it was their bag or who could explain its presence"

This has been refuted over and over and over again.  No bag ever matching Harold Norman's lunch bag was ever found either.  So by Richard Smith twisted logic, that never existed either.

You can't prove with any actual evidence that CE142 was in the SN when it was first discovered (the first 5-6 officers on the scene did not see it, and Studebaker didn't photograph it even though he was standing right there with a camera).

You can't prove with any actual evidence that CE142 was the bag that Frazier and Randle saw.  They both said it was not.

You can't prove with any actual evidence that there was ever a rifle inside CE142.

Deal with it.
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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #134 on: March 22, 2018, 09:33:40 PM »
It's no use Richard. If Oswald were alive today and said "I did it", most of the people on here would jump up and down with their hair on fire and call him a liar and ask him, "do you have any evidence to prove it!" Truly fascinating.

The only "evidence" Wesley can come up with is his imagined response to some fantasy confession that never actually happened.  Brilliant.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #134 on: March 22, 2018, 09:33:40 PM »


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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #135 on: March 22, 2018, 09:40:06 PM »
The only "evidence" Wesley can come up with is his imagined response to some fantasy confession that never actually happened.  Brilliant.

his imagined response to some fantasy confession

Do you have any evidence that I ever claimed to have made an imagined response to some fantasy confession?  ;D