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Online Nicholas Turner

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #730 on: September 17, 2018, 08:41:18 PM »
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You may want to attack the problem from a different angle... from the police tapes:

    Dispatcher    10-4. We have information that a suspect just went in the Texas Theater on West Jefferson.         
     79    10-4.         
     Dispatcher    Supposed to be hiding in the balcony.         
     79    10-4.         
     85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker)    85 out that way.         
     Dispatcher    10-4.

followed by:

     550/2 (Sgt. G.L. Hill)    550/2.         
     Dispatcher    550/2.         
     550/2    Do you have any additional information on this Oak Cliff suspect?         
     492 (CID)    492, out Texas Theater.         
     Dispatcher    10-4.         
     Dispatcher    They think he is at Texas Theater, 550/2.         
     508 (Crime Lab/ W.E. Barnes)    508.         
          . . . meet (?)         
     Dispatcher    85 at Texas Theater, 550/2.         
     550/2 (Sgt. G.L. Hill)    10-4.         
     Dispatcher    In the balcony.

Who tracked the suspect to the balcony and furnished that information to the dispatcher?

This was discussed earlier. I think it came from the idea that that is where people (kids) who had sneaked in before had tended to go, prior experience. I don't see it as suspicious, do you?

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #731 on: September 17, 2018, 08:44:28 PM »
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Saint Patsy didn't purchase a movie ticket.

You don't know that.

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Postal's box office booth was flush with the storefronts.

That's actually false.

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Brewer saw Saint Patsy approach the theater and then disappear from view.

Brewer saw somebody (from behind about 50 yards away) approach the theater.

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Had Saint Patsy stopped in front of the booth to purchase a ticket, Brewer would have been able to see the transaction.

Or that guy never went into the theater, or that guy already had a ticket, or that guy wasn't even Oswald.

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Additionally, the box office only opened at 1:15 PM

That's a good trick, since War Is Hell started at 1:20.

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and Postal had sold a total of 14 tickets, mostly to patrons that were waiting for the office to open for the first show.

That's also a good trick since Brewer saw 15-20 patrons in there.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #732 on: September 17, 2018, 08:53:59 PM »
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That's kind of disingenuous because the record shows witnesses to Oswald going from seat to seat and taking way too long to be the same Oswald that ran up to the balcony...It was Burroughs who sold the bottom floor Oswald popcorn etc...It is ridiculous that they would ignore that there simply wasn't any time for the balcony Oswald to sneak downstairs and do all those things because the cops came shortly after...

The Stringfellow report says Oswald was arrested in the balcony...Burroughs had to see this Oswald escorted down from the balcony...There is a statement that a cop shouted from the window in the balcony to a cop outside that they had arrested Oswald...

Haire saw this second Oswald covertly snuck out the back door of the theater...

There was plenty of time for Oswald to go up some balcony stairs and then down another set of stairs before entering the lower area.  I'm not saying he actually did that.  Postal and Burroughs apparently believed he did to explain why Burroughs did not see him but it is also entirely feasible that Oswald simply passed through while Burroughs was busy doing something else.  I don't see anything that precludes that from being the source of the balcony confusion.   The bottom line is that because Burroughs did not see him enter the theater that he and Postal both thought that Oswald was in the balcony area at some point for that reason.  And from that derives a lot of subsequent misinformation.   

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #733 on: September 17, 2018, 08:56:51 PM »
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Postal's testimony provides some insight on the balcony.  Does anyone have a map of the balcony to confirm where the stairs were?  Were there more than one set of stairs to the balcony? 

On the old forum someone once posted a photo taken from the inside of the theater looking out towards the street entrance.

If I recall correctly, the stairwell leading to the balcony was on the left not too far removed from the entrance.

The doorways to the ground level seats were on the right.

Not sure if there was more than one set of stairs leading to the balcony.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #734 on: September 17, 2018, 09:07:09 PM »
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Cool. Lucky pick by Brewer and his buddies.

Mr. BREWER - We were listening to a transistor radio there in the store, just listening to a regular radio program, and they broke in with the bulletin that the President had been shot. And from then, that is all there was. We listened to all of the events.


Worth looking into who his buddies were?

The buddies were two unidentified "IBM men" who weren't customers but apparently just liked lounging around his shoe store  (as IBM men do) and I guess he wasn't too worried about abandoning his store with them in there.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #735 on: September 17, 2018, 09:19:50 PM »
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The buddies were two unidentified "IBM men" who weren't customers but apparently just liked lounging around his shoe store  (as IBM men do) and I guess he wasn't too worried about abandoning his store with them in there.

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An interesting read. Thanks.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #736 on: September 17, 2018, 09:32:00 PM »
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I was asking what you would say if other people came forward to support what Brewer said and to confirm the WC timeline

50+ years later I would be ultra skeptical although level of detail would mean something.

I also asked why, if it is being suggested that Brewer was saying what the WC wanted, why weren't more people 'encouraged' to provide supporting testimony.

As suggested you need to look closer at the evidence, the "Tippit witnesses" is a great start.

You may also ask yourself why the hero was waiting in line to until December 6 to deliver his affidavit.

Tell us how many witnesses to Brewer's timeline would be needed to convince you that he was accurate. One would not be enough, I suspect. You lot would just call him a liar, anyway.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #737 on: September 17, 2018, 09:41:13 PM »
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The buddies were two unidentified "IBM men" who weren't customers but apparently just liked lounging around his shoe store  (as IBM men do) and I guess he wasn't too worried about abandoning his store with them in there.

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Nothing about Brewer's story makes sense to me.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #738 on: September 17, 2018, 09:41:34 PM »
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Tell us how many witnesses to Brewer's timeline would be needed to convince you that he was accurate. One would not be enough, I suspect. You lot would just call him a liar, anyway.

LNers love this particular strawman.

I don't have any evidence, but if I did you wouldn't believe it anyway.  Therefore I'm right.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #739 on: September 17, 2018, 09:43:48 PM »
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Where specifically does it say the dispatcher broadcasts ideas?

Sorry, don't understand the question.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #739 on: September 17, 2018, 09:43:48 PM »