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Online Joe Elliott

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2018, 02:10:45 AM »

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He wasn't the only one not to return. Is there any evidence that shows he got "his" revolver?



Who else left the Dealey Plaza area immediately?

I understand a few other left the building to check out with people in the plaza what happened and then found themselves locked out when the police did not allow anyone to enter or leave. But I donít know of anyone leaving immediately, let alone taking an expensive (for Oswald) taxi ride.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2018, 02:15:15 AM »
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Who else left the Dealey Plaza area immediately?

I understand a few other left the building to check out with people in the plaza what happened and then found themselves locked out when the police did not allow anyone to enter or leave. But I donít know of anyone leaving immediately, let alone taking an expensive (for Oswald) taxi ride.

What are you implying Joe?

Did Mr Truly know where Charles Givens was?

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2018, 02:16:21 AM »

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When Lee went to work at the TSBD by bus, where was his usual bus stop?



Was there a bus scheduled to come by there within a half hour of 1:00 PM?

Would this bus take him to where he wants to go?



There are several bus stops within a half mile of where I live but I still usually have to walk some ways because the bus isnít coming soon or it does come soon but itís not going in the direction I want to go.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2018, 02:17:43 AM »

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What are you implying Joe?

Did Mr Truly know where Charles Givens was?



What evidence is there that Charles Givens left Dealey Plaza immediately?

Did he take a taxi?

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2018, 02:25:33 AM »
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Was there a bus scheduled to come by there within a half hour of 1:00 PM?

Would this bus take him to where he wants to go?



There are several bus stops within a half mile of where I live but I still usually have to walk some ways because the bus isnít coming soon or it does come soon but itís not going in the direction I want to go.

If we go back one step Joe and ask - why did Lee leave his boarding house with a weapon?


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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2018, 02:25:33 AM »


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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2018, 02:29:59 AM »
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What evidence is there that Charles Givens left Dealey Plaza immediately?

Did he take a taxi?

To Mr Truly, at that immediate time post assassination - Givens could have been the actual assassin or a co conspirator.

The method of transport or whether someone left the TSBD immediately was irrelevant.

Mr Truly - and he doesn't even know why - told Fritz that specifically Lee was missing despite seeing him in a calm and relaxed state in the lunch room.

Givens was missing from the line up as well.

How and why did Mr Truly hone in on Lee?

I believe he even phoned the other warehouse to obtain the details of Lee and where he lived.

Did he actually check the rest rooms first or maybe Lee went to purchase his lunch or purchase something?

Mr Truly = another TSBD Nostradamus.

Mr. BALL. Was he the only man missing?
Mr. TRULY. The only one I noticed at that time. Now, I think there was one or two more, possibly Charles Givens, but I had seen him out in front walking up the street just before the firing of the gun.
Mr. BALL. But walking which way?
Mr. TRULY. The last time I saw him, he was walking across Houston Street, east on Elm.
Mr. BALL. Did you make a check of your employees afterwards?
Mr. TRULY. No, no; not complete. No, I just saw the group of the employees over there on the floor and I noticed this boy wasn't with them. With no thought in my mind except that I had seen him a short time before in the building, I noticed he wasn't there.
Mr. BALL. What do you mean "a short time before"?
Mr. TRULY. I would say 10 or 12 minutes.

Mr. BALL. Now, did Givens come back to the building later?
Mr. TRULY. I didn't see him--later on he did.
Mr. BALL. When--how much later?
Mr. TRULY. Much later--I suppose I don't know his actions during that
Mr. BALL. Did he come hack to the building?
Mr. TRULY. No.

Why did Mr Truly report only Lee "missing"?

Does anyone seriously believe Lee left the TSBD to go to the movies?


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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2018, 03:51:01 AM »
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First off, I'm not asking this to provoke a fight. I'm just curious as to what some think about Oswald going to the movies, after the President was shot at, from the building he worked in. Some of the TSBD employees left after the shooting, but he was the only one not to return. He went home got his revolver and then went to the movies. Just seems like an odd thing to do, after something as historical as the president getting shot at, happened in front of where he worked.

LOL

I wouldn't call that merely going to the movies exactly. More likely a somewhat-more-urgent gimme shelter response.
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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2018, 04:30:12 AM »

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To Mr Truly, at that immediate time post assassination - Givens could have been the actual assassin or a co conspirator.

. . .

Givens was missing from the line up as well.

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Why did Mr Truly report only Lee "missing"?



Oswald was the natural one for Mr. Truly to suspect. He saw a police officer point a gun at Oswald. He vouched for Oswald because he didnít realize the shots came from that building, let alone from one of his employees. When he heard a rifle was found, naturally his mind would go back to Officer Baker pointing a gun at Oswald.

If Officer Baker had initially suspected Givens but Truly immediately focused on Oswald, that would be strange. But knowing the shots were fired from that building. The shooter might be one of his employees. And an officer initially suspected Oswald. Naturally his suspicious are going to be initially turned to Oswald. And enhanced when he also realizes he hasnít seen Oswald since that encounter with Officer Baker.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2018, 05:02:12 AM »
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Oswald was the natural one for Mr. Truly to suspect. He saw a police officer point a gun at Oswald. He vouched for Oswald because he didnít realize the shots came from that building, let alone from one of his employees. When he heard a rifle was found, naturally his mind would go back to Officer Baker pointing a gun at Oswald.

If Officer Baker had initially suspected Givens but Truly immediately focused on Oswald, that would be strange. But knowing the shots were fired from that building. The shooter might be one of his employees. And an officer initially suspected Oswald. Naturally his suspicious are going to be initially turned to Oswald. And enhanced when he also realizes he hasnít seen Oswald since that encounter with Officer Baker.

Lee never did anything to arouse any suspicion, in either Officer Baker nor Mr Truly. Mr Truly can not explain what made him single out Lee. How did Mr Truly know that Dougherty, alone on an upper floor, wasn't the assassin or a co conspirator?

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2018, 12:13:57 PM »
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First off, I'm not asking this to provoke a fight. I'm just curious as to what some think about Oswald going to the movies, after the President was shot at,

Wesley,

You asked an interesting question in the context that this seems outside Lee Harvey Oswald's normal pattern of behavior. From everything I've ever read, LHO seemed to spend his leisure time reading books. It was either his housekeeper, or landlady that said he did watch TV sometimes, but what I've read, he preferred reading books of one sort or another.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2018, 12:13:57 PM »