How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #64 on: October 27, 2025, 10:28:42 PM »
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I did an arduous review over the weekend. There is no question. What I believe is a "getaway" car is not parked alongside the Island on the Wiegman Film.

Dear Comrade Storing,

Do you think James Hackerott improperly spliced-together the two half-second-apart Wiegman frames and/or improperly aligned the finished product with the infamous Couch-Darnell frame (which shows the front part of the car that Officer Baker ran in front of) in his overlay montage?

If so, why then does the woman standing to the right of "Fedora Man" in the Wiegman frames have a whole body, why is the pole to the right of her a straight vertical line (and why is it the exact same distance, photographically speaking, from the right side of the HUGE GATES' dark entrance), and why do the architectural features of the TSBD so closely align in the two frames?

If not, why can't you realize that the densely packed group of people mostly to the right of that woman (but also including her and "Fedora Man" and maybe someone else to the left of her) is probably hiding your MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR from Wiegman's camera's view?

Have you even looked at the overlay montage by James Hackerott, yet?

Here it is.

Just scroll down to it.

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4597.40.html

Hint: Use your computer's mouse to place the digital "arrow" on the car that Officer Baker's running in front of in Couch-Darnell and leave it there as James' overlay montage morphs from the Couch-Darnell into the corresponding Wiegman frame that James incorporated in it just for you.

Look! The digital "arrow" is now exactly where the right terminus of that "gaggle" is!

In other words, that "gaggle of people" is perfectly situated to obscure the MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR from Wiegman's camera's view!!!

And . . . gasp . . . the "gaggle" has so many people in it that it extends far enough to the left to hide the whole enchilada!!!

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #65 on: October 27, 2025, 11:23:16 PM »

  You know that gaggle does not extend 18 feet to the (L) of the Signal Light Pole. 18' Left and close to 5' high?  Suppose I claimed there was a shooter firing from inside a car that was obscured by that gaggle? That would get laughed off this Forum. Your 18' X 5' disappearing space act is Cinque worthy. Prove me wrong or just say "Uncle" if this is all you got.   

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #66 on: October 27, 2025, 11:33:19 PM »
You know that gaggle does not extend 18 feet to the (L) of the Signal Light Pole. 18' Left and close to 5' high?  Suppose I claimed there was a shooter firing from inside a car that was obscured by that gaggle? That would get laughed off this Forum. Your 18' X 5' disappearing space act is Cinque worthy. Prove me wrong or just say "Uncle" if this is all you got.

Dear Comrade Storing,

What are you basing your estimation of the length of the car on?

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« Reply #67 on: October 27, 2025, 11:46:58 PM »
Dear Comrade Storing,

What are you basing your estimation of the length of the car on?

-- Tom

   I asked you to "prove me wrong" and you instead go Perry Mason. This shows you have No Evidence. Just say "Uncle" and I'll lay it out for you. Until then, YOU need to prove me wrong. This is why I continue to ask you to put in the time and familiarize yourself with the pertinent assassination films and the Elm St Ext in general. You currently are badly lacking in these areas. Your currently claiming there is a complete "Black Out" area that is 17' X 5' is a laughable. Prove me wrong.

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #68 on: October 28, 2025, 12:20:42 AM »
I asked you to "prove me wrong" and you instead go Perry Mason. This shows you have no evidence. Just say "Uncle" and I'll lay it out for you. Until then, you need to prove me wrong. Your current claim that there is a complete "Black Out" area that is 17' X 5' is laughable.

Dear Comrade Storing,

From left ("Fedora Man" on the island) to right (Woman-All-In-Black on the street -- to the right of whom might be a part of the car), there are about ten people in that "gaggle."

The people who comprise it are more than five feet tall, and each of them is about two-feet wide.

Ten times two equals twenty.

-- Tom

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« Reply #69 on: October 28, 2025, 12:38:26 AM »
Dear Comrade Storing,

From left ("Fedora Man" on the island) to right (Woman-All-In-Black on the street), there are about ten people in that "gaggle."

The people who comprise it are more than five feet tall, and each of them is about two-feet wide.

Ten times two equals twenty.

-- Tom

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   "About" 10 people? Laughable. The gaggle is Not standing shoulder to shoulder across the Island. They are Not all on the correct (L) side of the Signal Light Pole.  I don't wanna be insulting, but your wasting my time with this babble. This is where you are at. Prove me wrong.   

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #70 on: October 28, 2025, 01:18:01 AM »
The gaggle isn't standing shoulder-to-shoulder across the Island.

I didn't say that it was.

Part of "the gaggle" is standing on the "island," and the other part of "the gaggle" is standing in the curved line of spectators that stretches from the sidewalk in front of the TSBD to the "island."

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They aren't all on the correct (L) side of the Signal Light Pole.

What in the world do you mean by "the correct side"?

In the Couch-Darnell part of James' overlay montage
, the front of the car is on the right side of the "Signal Light Pole," from the perspective of Couch and Darnell.

You CAN see, can't you, that the right edge of the shoulder-to-shoulder "gaggle" starts at that exact spot, and that the nine or ten person "gaggle" extends all the way to "Fedora Man" up on the "island"?

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4597.40.html

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #71 on: October 28, 2025, 06:11:25 PM »

  You continue placing the car in the Wrong place alongside the Island. The car's front bumper is a little bit BEHIND THE SIGNAL LIGHT POLE. The car stretches BACK from that point 17.5 feet toward the railroad yard. This "getaway" car can be seen in the same position alongside the Island on: (1) Darnell Film, (2) Couch Film, (3) Hughes Film, and (4) Martin Film. Same car, same location. You need to closely examine these films in order to understand the position of the car and why it does NOT appear on the Wiegman Film. That car is simply Not There yet. The Sixth Floor Museum's recently released 1st Generation Copy of the Darnell Film is extremely helpful. Relative to each other, the viewer can see the position of the Signal Light Pole vs The Car vs Officer Baker, vs the curving edge of the Island.

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #71 on: October 28, 2025, 06:11:25 PM »