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Offline Lance Payette

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #301 on: Today at 01:31:39 AM »
Just in case anyone actually cares about this silliness, here is what Bart actually said in 2016-2018, http://www.prayer-man.com/billy-nolan-lovelady-and-bill-shellly-did-leave-the-steps-almost-immediately-after-the-shots-were-fired/.

Look at Bart's page and decide for yourself if he is "faking" for some reason or if perhaps our two resident loons are off in the conspiracy ozone as they so often are.

I am not Bart's spokesman. I have no dog in the fight. It wouldn't change my JFKA theology if he did fake the image. I simply have no reason whatsoever to think he did, while having plenty of reason to think the resident loons are once again off in the conspiracy ozone.

And that, truly, is all I have to say about that.

I am going to put an end to this debate whether Lovelady and Shelley stayed on the steps as they claimed in their Warren Commission testimonies and to which certain people subscribe to for some obscure reason, there is just plenty to refute this rubbish assertion.

Photo evidence.

For starters, take a look at the Gerda Dunckel gifs below and check Lovelady’s shirt in the very first few frames and also check out the large still I snagged from PBS Breaking The News, click to enlarge, yes that shirt is checkered, compare it to other garments of a lighter colour or the polka dot coat which do not smudge due to  motion and quality loss. Then look at Shelley, with his black suit and his facial and hair features. For reference of who we are talking about I suggest you check out Billy Lovelady’s and Bill Shelley’s pages I have made which contain plenty of photographs of these two individuals. Both pages are still under construction but there is plenty to see from a visual point of view.

Upon looking at the image by Couch we see that Shelley wears a black jacket and that Lovelady’s shirt has black horizontal stripes in it. I will place a close-up below. This is not the end result of sharpening and cannot be construed as a digital artifact. Click to enlarge the shot above and you will see that these stripes are nowhere else to be seen on this image. The polka dot coat stays as is, the camouflage/dot coat as well. And even in the light toned skirts/coats there are no such markings to be seen.

Here is a collage of Lovelady’s shirt in many settings.

Add on photographs Oct 14th 2016.

This ROKC Scan of a Couch film still at first looks very harsh and doesn’t overall have much information, but it does happen to show a lot regarding our illustrious duo. This print comes from the Richard E. Sprague Collection from the National Archives.

I applied various ways of sharpening with overall decent results to be absolutely positive that these two are Shelley and Lovelady. Lovelady’s shirt is a dead give away and so is the shape of Shelley, compare that with the collage below.

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These statements and the Warren Commission testimonies by Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady show plenty that they did leave the steps almost immediately after the shooting and that they cannot be accounted on the steps for in the Jimmy Darnell film, besides walking westwards and being seen doing so in a better capture in the Malcolm Couch film.

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How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #302 on: Today at 01:41:01 AM »


The man marked "Lovelady" is Molina...

The best resolution enlargements show Molina's bald pate on this man...

Molina's testimony said he wandered over from his position on the east side of the top platform towards the west side after the shots and then exited down the steps on his way to the Knoll...

Lovelady is fast walking up to the Knoll on the extension at the time of this image...

The woman marked "Hicks" might be Carol Reed...
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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #303 on: Today at 02:03:32 AM »
The man marked "Lovelady" is Molina...

The best resolution enlargements show Molina's bald pate on this man...

Molina's testimony said he wandered over from his position on the east side of the top platform towards the west side after the shots and then exited down the steps on his way to the Knoll...

Lovelady is fast walking up to the Knoll on the extension at the time of this image...

   Disagree. Above is very close to where Lovelady was standing on Altgens 6. Also, I believe there are images of Molina being loaded into a DPD Cop Car. Molina looks nothing like the Lovelady figure above.

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How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #304 on: Today at 02:20:42 AM »


High Tech enhancement of the 6th Floor Museum's 1st generation copy of Darnell will clearly reveal the man is Molina...

We know this is true because Lovelady is fast walking up the Elm St extension at this time...

The man marked Shelley in this image obviously has too thick a body shape to be the tall and thin Shelley...Besides, we know Shelley is fast walking up the extension at this time...

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #305 on: Today at 10:15:20 AM »
The man marked "Lovelady" is Molina...

The best resolution enlargements show Molina's bald pate on this man...

Lovelady also has a bald head.
I assume you agree that the woman this man is talking to is Gloria Calvery. If that is the case your identification is clearly in error.
Molina states that he interacted with Gloria and her companion inside the lobby.
Lovelady states he interacted with Gloria while he was still on the steps.
Frazier also recalls a lady, who can only be Gloria, coming up to the steps and telling everyone about the shooting in a distraught manner.
This is what we are seeing here.

You've also skipped over this part of my post:


So many researchers have swallowed down the 'sharpened' image supposedly identifying Shelley and Lovelady on the Elm Street Extension approximately 20-25 seconds after the shooting.
What these researchers reach for is the WC testimonies of these men in which they state they wandered along the extension after the shooting.
However, what these same researchers are willing to ignore in the same testimonies boggles the mind:

Both men state they remained on the steps after the shooting until Gloria Calvery came up to the steps.
Both men testified that it was at least 3 minutes until Gloria came running up.
Both men testified that they only left the steps after listening to Gloria talk about the shooting.
Both men testified that they then moved out to the "little old island" after interacting with Gloria.
Both men testified that it was AFTER they left the steps that they turned around and saw Truly and Baker still outside the building.

The WC testimony of both men is a tissue of easily disprovable lies. Lies disproven by the Darnell/Couch footage. Disproven by the Truly/Baker time trials. Disproven by the testimony of Victoria Adams who saw both men on the first floor approximately 60 seconds after the shooting. Disproven by their own same-day affidavits, which make no mention of this fictitious trip along the extension.


How do you reconcile the WC testimonies of Shelley and Lovelady with this image?
Also, the man in the image is not wearing the pure white shirt of Molina.




PS: I identify the woman in white as Hicks because I have a vague memory that a researcher talked to Carol Reed who said she had no memory of accompanying Gloria back to the steps. I also have the vague memory that researcher was you.


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