Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Royell Storing]

1) Didn't Adams deny having said that?

2) In which of his official statements, affidavits and testimonies did Officer Baker say he saw two white men in that area?

    The fallout from this wild Calvery telling Officer Smith about shots being fired from the bushes is seriously damaging your own Calvery Claim. It's now snowballing into inaccurate quotes/reports regarding Adams and Baker. And this stuff about Lovelady and Shelley going into the TSBD via the front door and traveling back to the corner of the 1st floor does your footage claiming to show Lovelady and Shelley moving down the Elm St Ext serious damage. This fallout continues engulfing your Calvery claim. 

[Tom Graves]

The fallout from this wild Calvery telling Officer Smith about shots being fired from the bushes is seriously damaging your own Calvery Claim. It's now snowballing into inaccurate quotes/reports regarding Adams and Baker. And this stuff about Lovelady and Shelley going into the TSBD via the front door and traveling back to the corner of the 1st floor does your footage claiming to show Lovelady and Shelley moving down the Elm St Ext serious damage. This fallout continues engulfing your Calvery claim.

Dear Comrade Storing,

What's "My Calvery Claim" other than:

1) Big/tall dark-blouse-wearing, dark-headscarf-wearing, plaid skirt-wearing Gloria Calvery can be seen in Couch-Darnell, standing on (or going up) the TSBD steps with her dressed-all-in-white work colleague within 30 seconds of the final shot.

2) The guy who was "best man" at Calvery's wedding, William Shelley, very likely intercepted (maybe with Lovelady), running-and-crying Calvery on-or-near the "island" about 15 seconds after the final shot -- where she told him / them that JFK had been shot.

3) Distinctive-shirt-wearing / bald-spot-sporting Lovelady and slender suit-wearing Shelley can be seen in Couch-Darnell as they're walking / running in the direction of the railway yard / parking lot about 25 seconds after the final shot.

Hmm?

-- Tom

[Lance Payette]

I don't know what this might do to burst anyone's bubble - probably nothing since the bubbles of Calvary Guy Tom and WC Sham Man Dan are pretty well impenetrable - but observe "Carol Reed" and "Karan Hicks" in the image below:



In her interview with the Sixth Floor Museum, Karen Westbrook Scranton clearly and unequivocally identifies "Carol Reed" in the light blue scarf as HERSELF and says there is no doubt in her mind that "Karan Hicks" is in fact GLORIA CALVERY. She says she remembers standing with Gloria, who was a good friend with distinctive red hair, and with whom she worked every day. Karen is also visible right next to the Stemmons sign in Willis, which is where she is confident the first shot was heard and JFK reacted with hands to his throat. She recalls the shot sequence as 1-2-pause-3. (She recalls the woman labeled "Gloria Calvary" actually being a Carol, but she isn't sure which one since there were two Carols. It would have been Carol Reed.)

But what does she know anyway?

[Tom Graves]

[...]

Dear Lance,

I'm afraid you're about seven years behind the curb (sic) on this subject.

Do yourself a favor and look up self-described American Indian, Stella Mae Jacob, and her two TSBD colleagues, strawberry-blond Gloria Jean Holt and light-blue-headscarf-wearing Sharon Simmons, at the so-called Ed Forum.

Hint: Thierry "The Moon Landings Were Faked" Speth, Don Roberdeaux, Todd Vaughan, and our very own Robin Unger misidentified Jacob, Holt and Simmons as "Gloria Calvary" (sic), "Karan Hicks," and "Carol Reed," respectively, about fifteen years ago, probably due to the fact that Jacob, Holt and Simmons misstated to the FBI that they were standing on the south side of Elm Street during the motorcade.

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

   After the shots, Officer Smith had NOT already, "...started to make his way along the Elm St Ext...". That is incorrect. It was AFTER the hysterical woman told Officer Smith about shots being fired through the bushes that he THEN began going down the Elm St Ext and checking all the bushes stretching down that street in front of the TSBD. I know you wanna make Calvery playing Paul Revere with Officer Smith and Lovelady work, but you can Not force it to work. Please get the chronology correct. I seek evidence and proof leading to Fact. A track record such as this forces me to Fact Check everything you post and then when required correct the record for others that also use this forum in their search for truth. Fact Checking and then setting the record straight takes time that I would prefer directing toward my own research. Thank you.

After hearing the shots Smith "started up toward the Book Depository" from his position on the southeast corner of Houston and Elm Street. He was walking west towards the Elm Street extension (I'm not actually sure where the extension begins).
He then meets the hysterical woman and, as you say, carries on up the extension.
Do you agree that Smith's path crosses the path of Gloria Calvery coming back from her position on Elm Street to the front steps of the TSBD building.
It's pretty obvious what I'm saying in the post and I hope you won't try and dodge it again.
We know he was stationed at the southeast corner of Houston and Elm and we know he ran up the extension towards the railroad yard.
We know Gloria ran back from her position on Elm Street, met Bill Shelley at the concrete spur dividing the two Elm Streets and ran across the extension to the front steps.
Not even you can deny that their paths crossed.

[Dan O'meara]

1) Didn't Adams deny having said that?

2) In which of his official statements, affidavits and testimonies did Officer Baker say he saw two white men in that area?

In a statement to the DPD, her WC testimony and, most importantly of all, in the 'lost interview' posted on the forum by Tim Nickerson, she says she saw Lovelady and Shelley. The lost interview is important because it's Vicki speaking, it's her own words.
Barry Ernest reports her saying that the Shelley/Lovelady thing was all made up, which is interesting.

As for Baker, it's in the middle of his WC testimony [page 263]:

Senator Cooper. Did you see anyone else while you were in the building, other than this man you have identified later as Oswald, and Mr. Truly?
Mr. BAKER. On the first floor there were two men. As we came through the main doorway to the elevators, I remember as we tried to get on the elevators I remember two men, one was sitting on this side and another one between 20 or 30 feet away from us looking at us.
Mr. DULLES. Were they white men?
Mr. BAKER. Yes, sir.

[Lance Payette]

Dear Lance,

I'm afraid you're about seven years behind the curb (sic) on this subject.

Do yourself a favor and look up self-described American Indian, Stella Mae Jacob, and her two TSBD colleagues, strawberry-blond Gloria Jean Holt and light-blue-headscarf-wearing Sharon Simmons, at the so-called Ed Forum.

Hint: Thierry "The Moon Landings Were Faked" Speth, Don Roberdeaux, Todd Vaughan, and our very own Robin Unger misidentified Jacob, Holt and Simmons as "Gloria Calvary" (sic), "Karan Hicks," and "Carol Reed," respectively, about fifteen years ago, probably due to the fact that Jacob, Holt and Simmons misstated to the FBI that they were standing on the south side of Elm Street during the motorcade.

-- Tom

Right, what does the woman who was actually there know? If the WC evildoers didn't get to her, the KGB probably did. I make no claims, because I really don't care, but I am inclined to lean toward someone who was actually there and spoke with the level of confidence that Westbrook did. She seemed rather confident that she was wearing the light blue scarf, standing right next to the Stemmons sign with Gloria right next to her, but surely you know best. 

I might note that Mark Tyler likewise has Calvary standing with Westbrook and that an astonishingly eclectic mix of CTers and LN advocates contributed to his animation - but what do they know? The KGB probably got to all of them.

One might also note that your three suspects ALL said they were on the SOUTH side of Elm, for which Robin Unger took you to task at the Ed Forum - but what did they know?  (Good God, people, if you think Tom is obsessive-compulsive about the KGB Bogeyman, you should review his OCD work on the Calvary Issue over the past 10+ years. I think I'll back off before he blows a fuse. I merely note that Westbrook seems supremely confident - watch the interview, which was 2017 and thus after Tom was already on the Calvary warpath.)